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  1. #101
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    Quote Originally Posted by dope_danny View Post
    If Bobby is willing to give up his money the situation behind closed doors at Blizzard must be fucking dire.
    That’s not how any of this works he runs three company’s two of which make far more then blizzard he would never take a pay cut just because blizzard was doing poorly.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLachyG View Post
    A diverse workplace is better than a non diverse one. It’s not like there aren’t talented female/NB developers out there
    A work place where everyone pulls their weight, doing the job they are hired to do, based on experience and qualifications is better imo. Rewarding people based on their performance and not a skin colour etc.

  3. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by un_known View Post
    I’m all up for diversity in work places but PLEASE make it so those who are employed/future employees have the talent in the business to go with being non binary/transgender/ciswomen. Because nothing pisses me off more than forced employment because they are of a certain gender/race and extremely lack the talent needed for said job position.

    I work directly on WoW and I've already been part of hiring teams, which at the end of reviewing 30 applicants and identifying the best 2-3 of said applicants responded with "Man, all we have is f'ing white guys" and "I hate that it's just white guys".

    In the same said meeting, I asked why some decently qualified applicants were passed over in the first round of filtering, but someone who had no relevant experience and was missing any demo material - but identified themselves as non-binary in their cover letter - made it to the second filtering round. I was told "we specifically asked for a more diverse pool of candidates this time."

    So much for hiring the best nerds for the job. Screw content of character - skin color and what's in your pants now equals "best".

    Imagine substituting the word "White" with any other color - it is the *actual* definition of racism

  4. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    Oh please.

    This entire "best financial interest of the company" is just a silly argument.
    Unless one can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that an Executive chose knowningly an option that makes less money, it holds no value.

    By that logic, an investor could sue Activions Blizzard because selling halfbaked WoW Expansions generates less revenue than properly developed ones.

    Point is, incompetence is a legitimate excuse, in which case the investors have to remove the executives but they can't sue them unless they can prove Kotick knew diversity hires makes them less money but chose to implement that policy regardless.
    (And frankly, such a ruling would be a political nuke in the current enviroment)

    But even disregarding that, the investors would have proof in a court that Activision Blizzard systemically hired less skilled people in favour of more skilled people solely based on their identity - something that is damn difficult to prove as you need to access to the applications for a ton of position and highlight how in each case, there were clearly more competent people within the pool and that the critical factor was the identity.

    You will not get a hand on that many applications without a court forcing Activision Blizzard to reveal them, which would then also likely run into issues because applications naturally contain personal data, which just cannot be shared with anyone.

    It's like when you hire an utterly incompetent person for a job who by accident causes serious financial damage to your company, unless you can highlight that they knowingly caused that damage, you will not be able to sue them, you're at fault for hiring incompetent people.
    so you actualy think blizzard would wilingly hire people knowing it will lead to them losing money?

  5. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by Loveliest View Post
    The limited understanding of people about equal opportunity is astounding. Oh no, "this means that women and nb will be shit and it's not based on merit! )" Guys, read a bit, do some research before digging for your hate. But hate and finding fault is so much easier and requires nothing. Stop reaching for false and misunderstood racism and sexism against the poor privilleged white male groups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tic Tacs View Post
    I hope people understand that by paying for Blizzard games/services they are basically paying for all of this.
    The situation I used to be paying for was much worse, apparently.

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    ITT: Pissy white men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Translation: We won't be hiring people for their skills but for what they have between their legs/what they identify as.
    Sorry, but someone has to call people like you out for this BS.

    The fact that 77% of Blizzard employees are currently male tells us unequivocally that their past hiring policy has been biased by, as you put it, what people have between their legs.

    Achieving more representative employment, when implemented correctly, is not about introducing biases, but about removing them. It's about recognising that skewed representation is the result of existing biases and eliminating them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falkeshall View Post
    ITT: Pissy white men.
    Burnouts in their 20s who blame society for being lazy unmotivated NEETS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loveliest View Post
    The limited understanding of people about equal opportunity is astounding. Oh no, "this means that women and nb will be shit and it's not based on merit! )" Guys, read a bit, do some research before digging for your hate. But hate and finding fault is so much easier and requires nothing. Stop reaching for false and misunderstood racism and sexism against the poor privilleged white male groups.
    Where I live, I tried joining a company that I am very friendly with for a job. I had all the experience, and skills needed and more! But someone with just one years experience got in, because they were from a catholic background while I am Protestant (different laws here, and I was told on the DL that was the reason why, to match a quota). Does that seem equal to you?

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    I'd like to express my utmost respect to this sites mod-team. Terrific work!

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    Bob Gallywix dont give a shit to blizzard products as i can see after reading this mail

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soikona View Post
    Where I live, I tried joining a company that I am very friendly with for a job. I had all the experience, and skills needed and more! But someone with just one years experience got in, because they were from a catholic background while I am Protestant (different laws here, and I was told on the DL that was the reason why, to match a quota). Does that seem equal to you?
    Since your location says Northern California, you then promptly began a lawsuit because religious discrimination is very illegal in the US?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raelbo View Post
    Sorry, but someone has to call people like you out for this BS.

    The fact that 77% of Blizzard employees are currently male tells us unequivocally that their past hiring policy has been biased by, as you put it, what people have between their legs.

    Achieving more representative employment, when implemented correctly, is not about introducing biases, but about removing them. It's about recognising that skewed representation is the result of existing biases and eliminating them.
    Or the females that applied were not as experienced or qualified as the males? Why is that not a possibility?

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    Quote Originally Posted by deenman View Post
    so you actualy think blizzard would wilingly hire people knowing it will lead to them losing money?
    That is irrelevant.

    I am saying that the argument "they are obliged to hire only the best because they are legally obliged to act in the best interest of the company" is horseshit, because you'll not be able to proof that in a court.
    You're stating that there is a legal failsafe, i am saying that legal failsafe cannot be realistically enforced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Gorefiend View Post
    Since your location says Northern California, you then promptly began a lawsuit because religious discrimination is very illegal in the US?
    Considering I moved back home to Northern Ireland, and didn’t update that, what you said is not relevant. Here, in NIreland, it is legal. Specially for public sector jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soikona View Post
    Where I live, I tried joining a company that I am very friendly with for a job. I had all the experience, and skills needed and more! But someone with just one years experience got in, because they were from a catholic background while I am Protestant (different laws here, and I was told on the DL that was the reason why, to match a quota). Does that seem equal to you?
    do you also get mad when a busty chick gets hired at hooters instead of a fat neckbeard dude?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raelbo View Post
    The fact that 77% of Blizzard employees are currently male tells us unequivocally that their past hiring policy has been biased by, as you put it, what people have between their legs.
    Or maybe more men applied to Blizzard than women in the past and/or there were more professional men than women applying for the job.

    But it can't be that right

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soikona View Post
    Considering I moved back home to Northern Ireland, and didn’t update that, what you said is not relevant. Here, in NIreland, it is legal. Specially for public sector jobs.
    Gotcha, didn't know Ireland was like that.

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    ' We will increase the percentage of women and non-binary people in our workforce by 50% and will invest $250 million to accelerate opportunities for diverse talent' this is a big problem in my book, a team should be made pure on talents/experience, etc, not because of sex/gender/color, etc, I have nothing against a woman or non-binary people BUT if you have xx number of people and that person is a man, he should be hired without hesitation

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