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  1. #261
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    No cross faction shit! Bad enough they ruined servers, communities guilds, now they'll ruin factions as well...it all started in MoP where they allowed u to gank your own faction...

    In Warcraft 3 pvp in ur team you had a "team player" who only joined to send his peons n grunts to destroy your town hall just to grief, even though he lost as well.
    THESE are the kinds of narcissistic people you cater to with cross faction, someone who only care about themselves, not the team..
    As for those "i want to play with my friends" then fucking change faction, it's not hard, don't destroy factions cuz ur cheap selfish person..
    Last edited by Ihavewaffles; 2021-11-02 at 10:36 AM.

  2. #262
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    #Diversity makes a better game. They don't want WoW to be for a niche audience.#

    As far as I see it, those who are crying for muh diversityh, are the niche audience. Yet since they're unemployed humans, who have nothing else to do than shout and write tweets, they are the loudest.

  3. #263
    He's so young,..
    I'm curious how much stuff WoW is going to take from fortnite in the next year or two.

  4. #264
    Quote Originally Posted by Lundhz View Post
    As someone who has played every expansion, it's clear that the game is worse and worse as time goes on, and it no longer deserves neither it's expansion nor it's monthly price. It's time to let it die.
    i am always amused by this attitude "something is not worth the price so it have to be cheaper"
    like do you come to shop with furniture and tell them "this couch is not worth 100dollars you HAVE TO sell it to me for 50!" too?
    its not worth its price TO YOU so you dont have to pay it, as long as there are people who consider its price to be worth paying it absolutely doesnt have to be cheaper...

  5. #265
    I don't care about their internal dramas. Content when?

  6. #266
    "Diversity makes a better game. They don't want WoW to be for a niche audience."

    90% of the player-base ain't a "niche audience." But have fun sending WoW down the drain by actually making it a game for a niche audience.

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    Awwww, Ion and his corporate, PR canned non-answers, full of evasives and non-committal BS. Oh, and he learns from feedback, did you SEE it? So cute.

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    "There has been a lot of work towards allowing more open communication and feedback within the team about things going into the game."

    Except when those open views and feedback dont 100% align with the new "diversity" path we are on.- Ion probably.

  9. #269
    At this point, your characters are heroes and there is no way that they can go back to being anonymous adventurers, but the team also wants to go back to simple core fantasy and not so much more escalating cosmic adventures.

    YES, this is exactly what the game needs.

  10. #270
    Quote Originally Posted by WowIsDead64 View Post
    M+ - is only viable content for now. But casual players have to buy boosts for $$$
    What?

    "have to"?

    Why?

  11. #271
    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    Oh, I think he means this. It's a corporate and studio culture that listens but doesn't necessarily value feedback. There's a lot of "We know better" instilled as part of integrating into how the game is built. That's hard to change. Whether he, as leadership, can pull it off post-lawsuit is something we'll either see or not.

    If change is to happen it will happen because the company is going through another trauma with the lawsuit. Change often does happen after an incident that rises to the level of trauma for the entire company. What that change will be remains to be seen.

    FWIW: I read the entire interview on VentureBeat and it's somewhat more reflective than past interviews. Hazzikostas also sounds tired (if you can extract that from written text). I rather imagine that the last few months have been a wrench for everyone on the WoW teams and that Hazzikostas has been busy dealing with that. That also is very much in his area of responsibility as game director.
    My heart wants to belive that so much, but as much is my brain frustrated with the company.
    I whiteknighted this company for 15yrs....,now i just cant.
    time will tell
    Last edited by hecpercu; 2021-11-02 at 03:07 PM. Reason: Typo

  12. #272
    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    No cross faction shit! Bad enough they ruined servers, communities guilds, now they'll ruin factions as well...it all started in MoP where they allowed u to gank your own faction...

    In Warcraft 3 pvp in ur team you had a "team player" who only joined to send his peons n grunts to destroy your town hall just to grief, even though he lost as well.
    THESE are the kinds of narcissistic people you cater to with cross faction, someone who only care about themselves, not the team..
    As for those "i want to play with my friends" then fucking change faction, it's not hard, don't destroy factions cuz ur cheap selfish person..
    Your fighting the last war. The dead faction and servers exist to milk more cash shop bucks. The community that is worth a damn has already walled itself off. No one gives a damn about faction and war mode exists so raids can farm the farcical against all odds weekly and to level faster.

  13. #273
    Quote Originally Posted by Oishi View Post
    Great it's also a creative decision by a team we have no real inside information on beyond occasional tweets
    They literally said that it's been done at the behest of the team itself and what they consider offensive / inappropriate / not inclusive.

    Please, don't make a fool out of yourself and deny the obvious connection between their political stance and those changes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oishi View Post
    the same team that has been killing the game with useless content since they added heroics, lfr, lfg, adding ten man, killing ten man, adding flex, reduced the 40man down. Made the game too casual, too elitist, too pc, too many catchup mechanics, too few buttons, too many buttons, too little to do, too much to do.
    Terribly analogy.

    All those things are elements WoW Players disagree on because they are WoW Players, not because of their political views.
    I am fairly certain that in regards to those recent changes, the lines among players between being in favor and in opposition are pretty damn close to the line between those that consider themselves "PC" / "Woke" and those that are in opposition to that.

    Disagreeing with someone on a specific design decisions within WoW is not the same as disagreeing with someone on specific changes based on political views.

    Discussing design decisions of the game is naturally part of a WoW Forum, however when people start calling eachother based on their political views, the discussion has departed the realm of the game and entered real world politics.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oishi View Post
    It's ridiculous to throw a tantrum every time the needle doesn't tick towards your belief. To me demon hunters and WoD were tired appeals to rock and roll and edginess, but that was the team direction at the time.
    WoD in large was a direct answer to MoP, which was generally seen as a huge departure from Warcraft's core theme and in itself a reference to Warcraft 2: Beyond the Dark Portal.

    Demon Hunters have been a staple part of Warcraft lore since Warcraft 3.

    Both elements in their themes predate WoW itself, if you think those themes do not fit Warcraft...okay, then that's your opinion i guess, just not a great one because it ignores the roots of the franchise.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oishi View Post
    Don quixote is just the new "ripcord" "morally gray" or whatever the meme complaint is the day is
    I have no idea what this means but if you want to tell me that Maximillian of Northshire quest in Un'goro is not a Don quixote reference, then please say so, because i don't want to waste more time arguing with people that deny reality.
    Last edited by Kralljin; 2021-11-02 at 04:11 PM.

  14. #274
    "There has been a lot of work towards allowing more open communication and feedback within the team about things going into the game."
    Anyone with any history in this game has heard this exact line at least a half dozen times.

    This would be exciting if it wasn't likely a lie. It would also be exciting if I believed the development team had the talent to pull of meaningful content anymore regardless of systems or QoL.

  15. #275
    Quote Originally Posted by Sprengdpanda View Post
    At this point, your characters are heroes and there is no way that they can go back to being anonymous adventurers, but the team also wants to go back to simple core fantasy and not so much more escalating cosmic adventures.

    YES, this is exactly what the game needs.
    Same here. Though Kul Tiras felt very traditional at times and a mix of some Eastern Kingdoms. Boralus was such good hub.
    I remember being a dwarf in Drustvar killing yetis and bears in the snow and it feeling so right.
    This was BFA, the expansion everyone hates

  16. #276
    9.1.5 was born out of the team being allowed to pitch ideas and try out things that they think will make the game more fun.
    I thought those changes were not WoW development team's idea but demands from the community since beta?

  17. #277
    Quote Originally Posted by vincink View Post
    I encourage you to read Herbert Marcuse, the grand wizard of contemporary progressive culture, if you want to know why what is happening at Blizzard lines up perfectly with progressive (far-left) ideology. Socialism indeed does deny material reality, where material reality = what is plainly visible and the consequences thereof. The hint comes from the relentless drumbeat of the ambiguously defined "diversity". It is always desired, never attained, much like a Utopian Socialist vision.
    In the past 20 years. "progressive" politics has taken on more and more of a religious flair, from the Bernie Bro to the modern Woke zealots, they're not beating the drum of anything resembling an intelligent left---it's more like a chthonic echo chamber where each repetition becomes more and more mindless and farther away from the original meanings.

    Take CRT as an example. If you read books and papers by Bell, Delgado et al., it's a relatively straightforward way of centering race as a consideration in understanding disparate impact. Now, I believe that particular lens is way too narrow and ignores (as Americans do) any arguments about class, but it is definitely not something scary. But the repetition of the theme over the following decades since its inception in the 1970's has led to what could be considered the spiritual successor of the scientific racism of the 1920's---where immutable identity is the only deciding factor in people's worth. This is not what Bell would have wanted... Delgado, I'm not so sure about.

    But this is, as you say, Marcusian in the sense that he rejected the working class as the vanguard of the left and believed that the true revoutionaries would be intellectuals and the "marginalized". However, I would strongly deny that Marcuse's work is "of the left" per se. By rejecting the working class in favor of the gentry (radical intellectuals) leading a subset of the masses, he rejects Marx in favor of Mao.

  18. #278
    Quote Originally Posted by Steelangel View Post
    In the past 20 years. "progressive" politics has taken on more and more of a religious flair, from the Bernie Bro to the modern Woke zealots, they're not beating the drum of anything resembling an intelligent left---it's more like a chthonic echo chamber where each repetition becomes more and more mindless and farther away from the original meanings.

    Take CRT as an example. If you read books and papers by Bell, Delgado et al., it's a relatively straightforward way of centering race as a consideration in understanding disparate impact. Now, I believe that particular lens is way too narrow and ignores (as Americans do) any arguments about class, but it is definitely not something scary. But the repetition of the theme over the following decades since its inception in the 1970's has led to what could be considered the spiritual successor of the scientific racism of the 1920's---where immutable identity is the only deciding factor in people's worth. This is not what Bell would have wanted... Delgado, I'm not so sure about.

    But this is, as you say, Marcusian in the sense that he rejected the working class as the vanguard of the left and believed that the true revoutionaries would be intellectuals and the "marginalized". However, I would strongly deny that Marcuse's work is "of the left" per se. By rejecting the working class in favor of the gentry (radical intellectuals) leading a subset of the masses, he rejects Marx in favor of Mao.
    Possibly though I feel that the bulk of humanity needs a higher power in order to function. With the fall of religion in the western world many just turn to themselves and worship vague moral ideals.

    You will never be able to reason or negotiate with this group. They are zealots nothing more.

  19. #279
    Quote Originally Posted by Oishi View Post
    it's a political stance putting it in in the first place, WoDs marketing and conception was an appeal to the heavy metal culture
    You do realize that one of the artists, whose style entire Warcraft is based on, also drew albums for Heavy metal bands, Samwise Didier?
    Quote Originally Posted by Oishi View Post
    Echoing one specific example of a change you don't like, that you know others don't like, is trying to score political points.
    It's really not, it highlights how much detached from reality these people are as the word "damsel" is used in a context that clearly does not demean women but rather plays on Don quixote novel, which evolves around a character that has read way too many stories about chivalrous knights going on quests to save damsels in distress.

    If you have an issue with the word "Damsel" in this context, then you are just plain wrong.
    Last edited by Kralljin; 2021-11-02 at 06:03 PM.

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    Can we go back to the Samwise heavy metal influence? Or is heavy metal too frat boy for twitter

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