CNNs Jim Acosta warns of Civil War

[Egomaniac]

It's not worth it, they just want to be right.

I know, I just love how even his own source that he's using to validate his position is, at best, like "well, kinda"

[Lenonis]

So...no one wants to point out that map would also have us calling Maryland a southern state?

[Cthulhu 2020]

It's not worth it, they just want to be right. Only ~1/3rd of the state's pop is rural, even less than that would identify/be culturally southern and none of that invalidates the reality of what makes these regional blocks in the first place. In relation to the thread topic Missouri wouldn't go "south" bc the south of then doesn't exist anymore and if they'd try to pull it everything would collapse. The states would fragment and the conservative parts would likely be harassed by outside forces while the liberal ones try their best to re-connect to the "north".

It'd be a huge mess for everyone involved with more internal "warfare" than state vs state battles. It'd be a disaster.

I think the more concerning part is that conservatives are already starting to draw lines on the map for what might be considered "Sides" in a new civil war.

IF Civil War ever broke out, it would more than likely be a bunch of rural based militias forming up into vans and unleashing coordinated attacks on urban centers. At that point it would be the national guard and the local police (plus any local military) vs the rural dissidents. Some police and service members might defect to the side of the dissidents, and the president at the time might even order the service to stand down, but I think there would be some fairly organized resistance to any militias.

On top of all of that, we've seen that conservatives aren't really willing to risk their necks out there. There have been "Battle cries" for events such as Jan 6th and Occupy DC. The former actually had some minor impact but the latter promised millions of angry and armed conservatives and delivered about 200 old crazy people with campers. Ultimately, as I have explained to kokolums and anyone else frothing at the mouth for civil war, civil war will only happen when enough people are so angry and/or destitute that they're willing to say "fuck my existence" and be ready to die for the cause. As long as they have food, video games and HBO, that's going to keep them fat and lazy. History has shown that you either have to conscript people, draft them, give huge pay incentives, or hand a weapon to a hungry homeless person and tell them they'll get money, food, and eventually land if they fight for the cause. What entity has the money to do this, other than the government and billionaires?

And if the president goes rogue, our systems of power should have the ability to stop him and remove his power. I believe even conservative law makers would say too far, because war is bad for the great majority of industries (The people who pay millions out to senators and congressmen in kickbacks) and only really good for the weapon industry.

Political tensions being high does not mean civil war. It means riots and the occasional crazy conservative suicide gunman/bomber. Because nobody is providing the resources to form any real army.

I think the current conservative strategy is to legislate themselves into power, slowly pushing the line as hard as they can in removing all social progression we've had in the last 50-100 years once they are able to.

Bloody take overs only happen when your opposition is the minority, and the majority is too angry to look at their moral compass. Who out there is willing to kill their fellow man simply for having a different opinion? Not many that would fit in the "sane" category.

[Rozz]

I think the more concerning part is that conservatives are already starting to draw lines on the map for what might be considered "Sides" in a new civil war.

IF Civil War ever broke out, it would more than likely be a bunch of rural based militias forming up into vans and unleashing coordinated attacks on urban centers. At that point it would be the national guard and the local police (plus any local military) vs the rural dissidents. Some police and service members might defect to the side of the dissidents, and the president at the time might even order the service to stand down, but I think there would be some fairly organized resistance to any militias.

On top of all of that, we've seen that conservatives aren't really willing to risk their necks out there. There have been "Battle cries" for events such as Jan 6th and Occupy DC. The former actually had some minor impact but the latter promised millions of angry and armed conservatives and delivered about 200 old crazy people with campers. Ultimately, as I have explained to kokolums and anyone else frothing at the mouth for civil war, civil war will only happen when enough people are so angry and/or destitute that they're willing to say "fuck my existence" and be ready to die for the cause. As long as they have food, video games and HBO, that's going to keep them fat and lazy. History has shown that you either have to conscript people, draft them, give huge pay incentives, or hand a weapon to a hungry homeless person and tell them they'll get money, food, and eventually land if they fight for the cause. What entity has the money to do this, other than the government and billionaires?

And if the president goes rogue, our systems of power should have the ability to stop him and remove his power. I believe even conservative law makers would say too far, because war is bad for the great majority of industries (The people who pay millions out to senators and congressmen in kickbacks) and only really good for the weapon industry.

Political tensions being high does not mean civil war. It means riots and the occasional crazy conservative suicide gunman/bomber. Because nobody is providing the resources to form any real army.

I think the current conservative strategy is to legislate themselves into power, slowly pushing the line as hard as they can in removing all social progression we've had in the last 50-100 years once they are able to.

Bloody take overs only happen when your opposition is the minority, and the majority is too angry to look at their moral compass. Who out there is willing to kill their fellow man simply for having a different opinion? Not many that would fit in the "sane" category.

This is pretty accurate. I have relatives (on my step fathers side) who would vote Trump again, but they wouldn't want a civil war. They don't want to kill anyone, they just think that they're protecting others (and liberals from themselves) in their own way.

Killing people wouldn't fit that.

As for left leaning crazies that want war, they're usually younger and are known to spout off more bs than they'll commit to.

[Fugus]

This is pretty accurate. I have relatives (on my step fathers side) who would vote Trump again, but they wouldn't want a civil war. They don't want to kill anyone, they just think that they're protecting others (and liberals from themselves) in their own way.

Killing people wouldn't fit that.

As for left leaning crazies that want war, they're usually younger and are known to spout off more bs than they'll commit to.

I have to overall agree here. I don’t really expect to see a full on civil war soon depending on how far the GOP push their luck in 2022 and 2024 with their suppression and disenfranchisement with the courts turning a blind eye. But outside of them going that level of rogue, I generally don’t see it.

But as anecdotal as it is, I really wonder how long it will be till a few of the right wing loons I know make the news attempting stuff.

[Draco-Onis]

I have to overall agree here. I don’t really expect to see a full on civil war soon depending on how far the GOP push their luck in 2022 and 2024 with their suppression and disenfranchisement with the courts turning a blind eye. But outside of them going that level of rogue, I generally don’t see it.

But as anecdotal as it is, I really wonder how long it will be till a few of the right wing loons I know make the news attempting stuff.

It's really a matter of time before some right wing looney attacks a school to stop CRT or something.

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10/2021

So ya, Missouri defaults to the North.

And sorry to any Neo Confederate soldiers that have to share a Foxhole with anyone from Tennessee. It's going to get weird.

[Santti]

So ya, Missouri defaults to the North.

And sorry to any Neo Confederate soldiers that have to share a Foxhole with anyone from Tennessee. It's going to get weird.

Shame that map is fake, though.

[Fugus]

It's really a matter of time before some right wing looney attacks a school to stop CRT or something.

Yeah, and my brother in law is one of those who would rather fight and die than admit he is wrong and literally called Democrats a bunch of devil worshiping liberals as his way to defend his double standard fearing the Democrats would pack the courts when I pointed out how the Republicans had literally just did it. He also is against critical race theory and thinks that Fauci worked with China to create COVID and the vaccine is some huge conspiracy to do something. And the list goes on and on with him. He is one of those who will lie, BS, and fight his way out of everything to avoid thinking his way through anything, consequences be damned to protect his pride.

Then got another guy who can't tell the difference between a fact and an opinion and just goes down hill from there.

Then got another who told me that science went against god, preached about how democrats were pedophiles while cheering Trump and Kavanaugh, and who's wife works at a hospital and has literally lied to a friend of ours telling him that the majority of the people in the hospital and who died from COVID were vaccinated and so on and so on.

The one who can't tell the difference between a fact and opinion is largely safe, but the brother in law is a Trumper Trooper straight out the cult of Yall'Queda and can see him doing some crazy stuff while the jesus freak seems largely peaceful but part of me really wouldn't be surprised if he tried or one of those close to him.

[theostrichsays]

Shame that map is fake, though.

I was really looking forward to the future nation state of Arklahomessee producing hits where Kevin James on his Segway picks up random soccer moms who are in need of medical aid, and drives them to the goth hospital. If that isn't an export to build an economy on, then nothing is.

[cubby]

I have to overall agree here. I don’t really expect to see a full on civil war soon depending on how far the GOP push their luck in 2022 and 2024 with their suppression and disenfranchisement with the courts turning a blind eye. But outside of them going that level of rogue, I generally don’t see it.

But as anecdotal as it is, I really wonder how long it will be till a few of the right wing loons I know make the news attempting stuff.

We won't actually see a literal full on civil war - that will never happen. What is becoming more and more likely is a slow slide to fascism civil-esque war. Where the minority right continues to erode our democracy and gains not just a majority, but some kind of super majority claim over the United States' political apparatus. At that point, with "legitimate" democratic control, the military forces will be "with" them, and it's over.

The reasoning/perspective of Trump voters that @Rozz and others give are why it will be a soft civil war - no conflict.

[Egomaniac]

Missouri got their seat in the Confederate congress later. Those were the founding states.

Never said anything to the contrary, champ. Just saying that the wikipedia page for "Dixie" only includes MO in the softest of terms due to "historical ties". In terms of the US fucking Census... it's part of the MidWest.

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[Levelfive]

Shame that map is fake, though.

Right before I saw this, I actually said out loud, "Does that say boats?"

[Ripster42]

Missouri got their seat in the Confederate congress later. Those were the founding states.

The parts of the MO gov't (governor and minority of legislature) that joined the confederacy weren't in power by the time they did, and did so contra to MO's state constitution. MO provided soldiers to the union at nearly a 3:1 ratio compared to the confederacy. Even going strictly by participation in the civil war, MO is a northern state.

Never said anything to the contrary, champ..

You should have though.

[Egomaniac]

You should have though.

Well, Vegas is technically correct. I mean, everything you said is absolutely true... but Vegas gets ever so Pedantic about these things.

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It’s southern as shit by today’s standards. Idc what people object to with regards to that, look at their representation across the board. Southern ass redneck politics. It’s fine though, I conceded ages ago that it’s midwestern by census standards. Heaven forbid anyone even acknowledge that though.

Wow. Ok Vegas. Thank you so much for conceding to an actual proven fact. You're the hero we need right now.

[Ripster42]

It’s southern as shit by today’s standards. Idc what people object to with regards to that, look at their representation across the board. Southern ass redneck politics. It’s fine though, I conceded ages ago that it’s midwestern by census standards. Heaven forbid anyone even acknowledge that though.

It's conservative as shit, like a lot of the midwest. Is idaho a southern state now? How about the dakotas? I mean, look at their representation!

[Masark]

It's conservative as shit, like a lot of the midwest. Is idaho a southern state now? How about the dakotas? I mean, look at their representation!

It's metastasized South.

[Ripster42]

It's metastasized South.

Is this a facebook joke I'm too old to understand?

[Egomaniac]

It's conservative as shit, like a lot of the midwest. Is idaho a southern state now? How about the dakotas? I mean, look at their representation!

You know what's really "South"?

Alaska.

[Ripster42]

you know what's really "south"?

Alaska.

I knew it!