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  1. #41
    Why do you keep using "fast" and "easy" as if they are the same thing?

  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarcube View Post
    then you don't care about the speed or how easy it is... the op specifically asked about difficulty and speed...
    That's simply not true at all you can still care about how fast you do something, while omitting a method that you do not wish to do. What kind of weird binary thinking is this even?

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarcube View Post
    the op asked about alts lvling alts compared to before being easier or faster... it's not easier or faster... it's exactly the same as in 9.1...
    That is absolutely not true. Threads is much faster now that bonus objectives are worthwhile. Torghast is worth doing once, for the quest.

  4. #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theangryone View Post
    Did they adjust threads at all in this patch? Prior to my taking a break I did both ways and went back to leveling through the story and then switching to threads at 58 or 9 when I outpaced them zones. Bonus objectives in threads gave shit xp for time invested in them, giving you no more than a normal quest did. In the time to knock out a bonus area you could have received 4 times the xp doing regular quests
    They vastly reduced the time it takes to do a bonus objective area. Unless you're doing your dungeon spam on a character that has no queue times for whatever reason, they are totally worth doing between dungeons if you're trying to be super-efficient.

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarcube View Post
    it is true... dungeon spam is faster than doing objectives or torghast... if you don't spam dungeons then you don't care about the speed either way... but dungeon spam didn't change in speed or difficulty... it's the same as in 9.1...
    That just isn't true and only showcases your lack of critical thinking skills. If Torghast was by far and away the fastest method to level 50-60 you can rest assured I would never be stepping foot in Torghast to level, but that doesn't mean I don't care about how fast I can level using other methods of doing so. Just because I hate Torghast doesn't mean I want it to take forever to level.

    And as I already said, even dungeon spamming has been made a bit faster thanks to 9.1.5 so you're still wrong.

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarcube View Post
    nope... there has been no buff to dungeon spamming...
    So heirloom gear didn't get added to 50-60? Before 9.1.5 you would ding 60 even before using up all of your rested exp? If the answer to that is no (hint: it's no) then leveling became faster for dungeon spammers too.

  7. #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by Musta View Post
    Hello everyone, I am an altaholic.

    I quit right after renown 40 and never looked back cuz leveling was just terrible.
    I must ask you, its easier to level now, for real?
    Is Korthia really worth something now with all 9.1.5 changes?

    Should i stay away? I kinda want to get renown 80 but the game was so horrible before 9.1.5

    What you guys think? What can you guys tell me based on the tests?

    thank you very much
    renown aside, I started levelling an alt from 48 to 60 the other day. let me tell you it is SO much easier going through threads of fate now. I distinctly remember how levelling was in 9.1 (it was a slog) with bonus objectives giving maybe 1 or 2% a kill towards the progress bar. they've boosted it immensely, now gives about 8% a kill. also the progress bar fills up a lot faster for the "Help the Faction"' quest which is really nice. actually made me want to level. also you get renown for doing the bonus objectives so yeah after getting the 40 boost I am now on 52 I think after doing bugger all

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarcube View Post
    to use heirloom gears rested bonus you need to wait for rested... that's slower than just lvling instantly...
    Becuase somebody returning from a couple week/month hiatus won't already have full rested exp built up?

    C'mon man..

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarcube View Post
    the question was about alt lvling... not alt lvling for characters that has been sitting and gathering rested exp for ages... i've lvled several characters after 9.1 with dungeon spam and it's not any quicker than before...
    No matter how much you want to move the goal posts, leveling alts is a bit easier now (more methods to level), and a bit faster now (heirlooms added to 50-60).

    Your little game of being pedantic is tiring.

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarcube View Post
    it's not faster unless you sit and wait for rested... which is slower than just keep lvling... i've lvled like 3 characters since the patch went live and none of them had rested by the time i could go to shadowlands on them...
    Because nobody with a level 50 alt they haven't leveled yet exists, right?

    I've given way too much energy to your antics and this thread. OP I hope you got your answer somewhere in this mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarcube View Post
    the question was about alt lvling... not alt lvling for characters that has been sitting and gathering rested exp for ages... i've lvled several characters after 9.1 with dungeon spam and it's not any quicker than before...
    But have you levelled one after 9.1.5 without dungeon spam and checked the difference in time? Have you checked the time per XP for the current Bonus Objectives quests? Have you timed a Torghast run vs the XP from it and the quests you get?

    It's certainly not worth doing more than one Torghast run a day. On many classes even the daily quest isn't great (but it isn't bad), but that first run through, with two quests to do it - it's totally worth doing.

    EDIT:

    Okay, I did some dungeons and torghast and some bonus XP areas and checked times and XP. All XP was with rested XP throughout. I was on a L52 Arms Warrior that I haven't played since the first month of this expac, so I was a bit rusty.

    One of the dungeon runs was Plagefall and we dodged just about all the trash, pulled only bosses, etc. with a L60 tank and healer. It was really good XP - 8 bubbles for 13 minutes, plus 4 minutes in the queue (as DPS, runs are popular right now). About one XP bubble every two minutes. The other runs were not so fast, averaging a little over 25 minutes including queue times, so about one bubble every 2.5 minutes - that's a bit better than a level an hour assuming you have some good runs. With guildies carrying your lowbie backside and just doing speed runs, two levels an hour would be possible.

    Torghast got me five bubbles for the run, plus another five bubbles for the broker's quest, and took 20 minutes including loading screens, taking and handing in quests, etc. That's a bubble every two minutes - as good as a speed run through a dungeon. On some classes you could do better especially if you knew the anima powers already and didn't need to think about what to take (not that it'll matter too much - it's tuned pretty low).

    The Bonus Objectives got me two bubbles each. Not much you say? Well, they took maybe 5 minutes each, including flying from one to the next. Which zone they're in, which ones they are, etc. will affect that, and once a zone is done and you have to move to another there'll be a time cost, but basically they're easily worth a level an hour, more if you're quick. Oh, and they count to the 'aid covenant X' meta-quest, so there's more XP there if you fill that out by doing some dailies and murderising some rares, etc.

    TL;DR - dungeon runs are good, but they are only 'best' if you have a solid group and do optimised boss-only speed runs. Otherwise they're no better than Bonus Objectives and that first Torghast run, and probably no better than the Torghast daily. So if chain spamming dungeons is not to your taste, don't worry as you're not missing out on much, if any, XP/hour.
    Last edited by Kalisandra; 2021-11-08 at 09:48 AM.

  12. #52
    Could we have some more clarification on bonus objectives. Several posters make vague comments about how they are faster. One poster says you get 8 times as much towards bar completion as before. Others say it hasn't changed, and the post above this one seems to describe the pre-9.1.5 state of affairs.

    I didn't notice much difference personally. I mean, it seemed slightly faster but that could simply be because I expected it to be faster. Has any one got hard numbers on this or could link to a Blizzard source?

  13. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by melzas View Post
    6 bad expacs? Why you even still play or post here everyday if you think this game is bad? Just go find a game that you think isn't bad, holy shit.
    "Bad" - is relative term. Something like "worse than previous xpack, so even more players quit". And yeah. While sometimes it was hard for me to quit Wow, I wasn't playing this game, when I didn't enjoy it.

  14. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by WowIsDead64 View Post
    "Bad" - is relative term. Something like "worse than previous xpack, so even more players quit". And yeah. While sometimes it was hard for me to quit Wow, I wasn't playing this game, when I didn't enjoy it.
    So if the game has been bad for 6 xpacs, so for longer period than you thought it was good, then why are you still around, reading and posting about it everyday? It's clearly not for you, do you enjoy complaining about it so much it has become your actual hobby?

    This is so twisted man, maybe it's time to revaluate what you want to do with your life, surely there are better ways to spend your time than bitching about the game you 1. Think is bad. 2. Don't even play.

    There are games I loved to play but changed in a way I don't enjoy anymore (hots, lol for example) and I completely moved on, don't visit their fan pages anymore and only read about them when I stumble upon them accidentally. I hope you too can eventually move on and stop being such a sour person. For your own sake.

  15. #55
    Spamming dungeons may well be the fastest way to level. That isn't what the OP asked about, though.

    Also it's false to say that anyone who cares about speed will pick the fastest method. Even if dungeon spamming was, say, 20% faster than threads bonus objectives and such, I'd still prefer them for the variety.

    Anyway, leveling from 50-60 is in a pretty good place right now. If you start with full rest, do all the bonus objectives, and do the dungeon and Torghast quests, you hit 60 pretty quick. That said if you're looking to level up a bunch of alts wait until next week for the 17% anniversary XP buff.
    Last edited by Schizoide; 2021-11-08 at 05:16 PM.

  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Schizoide View Post
    Spamming dungeons may well be the fastest way to level. That isn't what the OP asked about, though.

    Also it's false to say that anyone who cares about speed will pick the fastest method. Even if dungeon spamming was, say, 20% faster than threads bonus objectives and such, I'd still prefer them for the variety.

    Anyway, leveling from 50-60 is in a pretty good place right now. If you start with full rest, do all the bonus objectives, and do the dungeon and Torghast quests, you hit 60 pretty quick. That said if you're looking to level up a bunch of alts wait until next week for the 17% anniversary XP buff.
    ohhh theres the buff! you are right! thanks!

  17. #57
    Yep next monday! I'm waiting on like 10 alts for that buff.

  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by melzas View Post
    So if the game has been bad for 6 xpacs, so for longer period than you thought it was good, then why are you still around, reading and posting about it everyday? It's clearly not for you, do you enjoy complaining about it so much it has become your actual hobby?

    This is so twisted man, maybe it's time to revaluate what you want to do with your life, surely there are better ways to spend your time than bitching about the game you 1. Think is bad. 2. Don't even play.

    There are games I loved to play but changed in a way I don't enjoy anymore (hots, lol for example) and I completely moved on, don't visit their fan pages anymore and only read about them when I stumble upon them accidentally. I hope you too can eventually move on and stop being such a sour person. For your own sake.
    So many people need to take this advice and get over their ex-girlfriend
    A better way to think about Casual v Hardcore: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...asual-Hardcore

  19. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Musta View Post
    ohhh theres the buff! you are right! thanks!
    I stumbled on this video and thought of this thread. I also forgot about the upcoming anniversary buff that will make those last couple allied races even more of a breeze!

  20. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by GrinnersGrin View Post
    There was a patch?
    Damn.
    Anyway
    lol !!! 10 chars

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