FF14 just isn't that good

[blapdris]

After all the hype I tried out FF14 for a bit.

My takeaway

1. It is really weird in that Japanese way.
2. You have 200 hours of bs to get through before it gets even remotely interesting.
3. No pvp.
4. No epic raids.
5. Art style is ghastly unless you like anime porn.

There seems to be an awful lot of circle-jerking around this game but, and I remember I started in wow so I have very low standards, there's nothing about it that looks remotely interesting. (That's a genuine question. My hostility on this is directed at streamers/social media types who went on about how great the game is, not individual players)

Perhaps someone could shed light on what is supposed to be good about this game in terms who someone who isn't already sold on it would understand?

[crusadernero]

After all the hype I tried out FF14 for a bit.

My takeaway

1. It is really weird in that Japanese way.
2. You have 200 hours of bs to get through before it gets even remotely interesting.
3. No pvp.
4. No epic raids.
5. Art style is ghastly unless you like anime porn.

There seems to be an awful lot of circle-jerking around this game but, and I remember I started in wow so I have very low standards, there's nothing about it that looks remotely interesting.

Perhaps someone could shed light on what is supposed to be good about this game in terms who someone who isn't already sold on it would understand?

Wondering the same. have no idea whatsoever why FF14 has gotten so big traction.

[Graeham]

PvP does exist in the game. As do 'epic raids'. They're split into 8 man raids and 24 man raids.

8 man raids are in turn split into normal mode and savage mode. The former is intended for players to soak up the story, the latter is intended to be more of a challenge and has additional mechanics/phases in play. Then in addition there's an even higher difficulty mode, called ultimate.

I have my beef with the game. It isn't perfect, but I think it's pretty disingenuous to claim that just because you dislike it then it is somehow terrible and with few, if any, redeeming qualities.

There's also a pretty sizeable portion of people who have played at least one Final Fantasy game, so the nostalgia works much in the same way as how WoW and ESO constantly reference the relevant games that came before them.

[Vayra78]

Finally someone without pink glasses who tells it like it is! People like Pyromancer are just faking it, or so it seems to me... It's just not an art style or game style I like either. I don't understand/see what they like about the game, mechanics wise either... The only thing that is good that I can think of, is; no alts and all "jobs" on one character and perhaps player housing?

[blapdris]

PvP does exist in the game. As do 'epic raids'. They're split into 8 man raids and 24 man raids.

8 man raids are in turn split into normal mode and savage mode. The former is intended for players to soak up the story, the latter is intended to be more of a challenge and has additional mechanics/phases in play. Then in addition there's an even higher difficulty mode, called ultimate.

OK so high-level raiding. Like Wildstar? Not for me but I can see the appeal.

Though I got to say I'm a bit surprised it takes a specific thread on this to get a decent reason why to actually play the game.

I'll admit I didn't even know 24-man raiding existed. Maybe that is my fault but it didn't seem to be that clearly signposted.

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Finally someone without pink glasses who tells it like it is! People like Pyromancer are just faking it, or so it seems to me..

Yeah exactly. I've quit wow myself more than once and the lore has gone off the rails...but he seems really disingenuous. Like a sociopath acting theatrically to win approval from his peers/audience.

You get the impression that people like that would be proclaiming wow was the best thing ever if that was what the popular sentiment was.

[Polybius]

Finally someone without pink glasses who tells it like it is! People like Pyromancer are just faking it, or so it seems to me... It's just not an art style or game style I like either. I don't understand/see what they like about the game, mechanics wise either... The only thing that is good that I can think of, is; no alts and all "jobs" on one character and perhaps player housing?

And story. It’s exhausting seeing what’s constantly done to games like WoW. Story may not matter to most but the dialogue is immature (this is amplified by their recent censorship). I think it’s the fact that their devs treat the players with respect, and acknowledge its flaws.


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Yeah exactly. I've quit wow myself more than once and the lore has gone off the rails...but he seems really disingenuous. Like a sociopath acting theatrically to win approval from his peers/audience.

You get the impression that people like that would be proclaiming wow was the best thing ever if that was what the popular sentiment was.

He was never that good at understanding the lore anyway, or theorizing. I don’t understand his appeal.

[Specialka]

Normal raid and alliance raid (24 players) are on par with lfr level in wow.

Ff14 has a great story though, but the storytelling sucks. You mostly do fedex quests and kill 3 mobs once in a while.

The music are great overall.

All jobs on one character is obviously a pros.

Dungeons are piss easy and most of the time forgetable. Some, though, have a great atmosphere.

[kiramon]

Wow was never really “good” either - mmos all play mind games to make you think it’s good and spend more hours playing and paying.

That being said, 14 is not good like this. It’s not good cuz of story (though many like it, I personally couldn’t tell you a thing about any character and I’ve been playing it since before ARR), it’s not good cuz of 2.5s global s— it’s good cuz it’s final fantasy. It’s good cuz the job system is cool. It’s good cuz nowadays it’s easy to get on the rails to level up (it was not as good when you had to use fates to level lol). It’s good cuz the graphics (despite not being everyone’s style) are less dated than a lot of games.

It’s good for a lot of reasons. But most importantly, for a lot of players, it’s good cuz it’s not wow.

Personally I went back to ff11 for now until the expac — which these wow players willl see is worse than the seasonal grind of WoW— ff has the most transparent currency system of any mmo ever, where you can literally see you’re in the same hamster wheeel each expansion and it doesn’t even try to hide it.

[Devilyaki]

I don’t know? I like it and all that stuff you say isn’t there is. You do have to go threw the main story to get to it tho, it isn’t handed to you just for logging in.

[Tenjen]

OK so high-level raiding. Like Wildstar? Not for me but I can see the appeal.

Though I got to say I'm a bit surprised it takes a specific thread on this to get a decent reason why to actually play the game.

There have been multiple threads about this, and multiple discussions in the existing threads about every single point made here, discussed to the point of exhaustion for so many months that the entire path of this current thread for the next few pages to its end can be entirely predicted.

To the point I have to wonder why a new thread had to be made about a topic people had moved on from 10 times in half a dozen threads already, regarding info widely and easily available at a glance with points shot down in numerous cyclical discussions dozens of pages long.

[Lane]

You said it all in point #2. The game isn't particularly good until you get to the first expansion, Heavensward. I personally didn't like ARR and there was only one of the starter jobs I liked, lancer/dragoon, which has a terrible "rotation" until the mid to late 50s. The problem is, as you said, you have to sift through a lot of crap before the game starts to get better both in story and gameplay (the better jobs are expansion jobs, IMO).

I don't PvP or raid so I don't care about either of those things, but I do know FFXIV has both.

I don't know what to tell you if you don't like the aesthetic. It never bothered me and the character facial animations are vastly superior to WoW.

You also have to bear in mind that a lot of the 'weird' are carry over quirks from previous FF single player titles. The game is essentially a love letter to Final Fantasy as a whole and they've tried to incorporate as much from the series as possible.

[Irian]

I have plenty of personal gripes with FFXIV but man, the shit you listed just doesn't make any sense. Either it's wildly subjective and says more about you than the game itself, or it's just flat out wrong. Pvp and large-scale raids (assuming that's what you mean by "epic") are a thing and in fact the 24-man raids are a huge part of the game's endgame for most players.

The game isn't perfect by any means but, unlike WoW, it's a game that knows exactly what it's trying to be and what it wants to be and delivers enjoyable content for that demographic. It doesn't try to trick players into staying subscribed if they don't want to play, it won't punish you and bog you down for deciding to take a break from it, and when you return you'll probably have a bunch of fun new shit to do. It's not a game that feels the need to try to hold its playerbase hostage or threaten it with mind-numbing grinds to keep them playing, instead it actually tries to just make stuff that players actually want to do.

[Specialka]

You said it all in point #2. The game isn't particularly good until you get to the first expansion, Heavensward. I personally didn't like ARR and there was only one of the starter jobs I liked, lancer/dragoon, which has a terrible "rotation" until the mid to late 50s. The problem is, as you said, you have to sift through a lot of crap before the game starts to get better both in story and gameplay (the better jobs are expansion jobs, IMO).

I don't PvP or raid so I don't care about either of those things, but I do know FFXIV has both.

I don't know what to tell you if you don't like the aesthetic. It never bothered me and the character facial animations are vastly superior to WoW.

You also have to bear in mind that a lot of the 'weird' are carry over quirks from previous FF single player titles. The game is essentially a love letter to Final Fantasy as a whole and they've tried to incorporate as much from the series as possible.

I always wondered what people are doing at max level if they are not raiding ?

[Cosmic Janitor]

Should have lead with the anime stuff, that is usually where you you tell that someone comes in with an agenda, especially seeing how WoW is way closer to cartoons than FFXIV, with it's almost cellshared graphic style and goofy-ass animations.

But hey it's cool if you don't like it. It was free and WoW is still there for you.
(please stay in wow)

Edit: Gotta love that 2 month old account that had 0 posts until today and the first one was agreeing with the OP.

[Tenjen]

I always wondered what people are doing at max level if they are not raiding ?

FFXIV does not make old content defunct like WoW does, so old systems remain or get a few edits to be carried foward. so stuff like deep dungeons, firmaments, every previous expacs raids and difficulties, the relic weapon quest zones, housing, certain special chain quests, gold saucer and Chocobo racing, etc etc.

[Specialka]

FFXIV does not make old content defunct like WoW does, so old systems remain or get a few edits to be carried foward. so stuff like deep dungeons, firmaments, every previous expacs raids and difficulties, the relic weapon quest zones, certain special chain quests, gold saucer and Chocobo racing, etc etc.

Yeah, thought so. Not really my cup of tea. No real challenge in those. That is why I usually sub, do the story, clear the dungeon /raid then unsub til next patch

[Deneios]

FFXIV is a story based mmo unlike wow and it tells a coherent story across multiple expansion. If your attention span is short then FF14 is not the game for you.

Bigger question when you are complaining about art style is are you talking about players or environment and npc style? If its Player style you are complaining id turn your attention to gnome players and ask why is that a thing.

There is pvp and its said SE is doing improvements to it in EW

All the raids are epic but if you have only played ARR you havent seen anything or you havent done the coils of bahamut what is a series of bosses and story that tells you what happened to the world between the original FF14 and realm reborn.

This was a mediocre bait and i hope that you put more effort to your next try. Id rate this 5/10 bait

[Lane]

I always wondered what people are doing at max level if they are not raiding ?

I'm not max level in FFXIV, but there is an endless list of things for me to do every day. The MSQ, side quests, hunts, FATEs, leveling combat jobs, leveling crafting jobs, Challenge Log, beast tribe dailies, roulettes, just off the top of my head. Not to mention blue mage, which is content in itself.

[ketsui]

best part about this game is its so big its not hurting for players, don't play it if u don't like it, but better not to try to say it doesn't have things when it does. I'm sure you'll find a better game XD

[Aucald]

This thread doesn't seem to be created in good faith and isn't likely to go anywhere constructive. Closing this.