Poll: Do you think a 10.0 revamp is likely?

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  1. #341
    I see no reason that they would go crazy revamping things.

    10.0 would be a good time to do that, given it's a nice round number and all that, but I doubt they will and I don't really think it's even necessary.

    Retail has plenty of good things about it, all they really have to do is iron out the bad things and the next expansion could be pretty solid. If they'd just stop making decisions that are very obviously bad and then not listening to people when they tell them to change I think it'd be fine.

    Imagine if 9.0 launched without the crazy time gated Maw grind, with you able to freely change your covenant, and without Torghast existing at all (seriously the worst designed thing in the history of WoW, god damn). I actually think people would have enjoyed Shadowlands quite a bit, because all the other stuff in the game is pretty good.

    So they just need to do that. Get rid of the shit that's obviously not good, I mean everyone knew covenants were a trash idea on day 1 and Blizzard refused to listen, retail can still be successful and fun with just a handful of changes. I don't think that they're really going to commit to a complete revamp at this point, that would be a pit preemptive I think.

  2. #342
    Quote Originally Posted by Akta View Post
    if housing is well implemented, it can be a game changing experience. They can spread houses slots all around azeroth making dead zones alive. they can add decorations recipes all around the game.
    I don't see the appeal of player-made dick monuments populating the old zones.

    And any housing system that doesn't allow the construction of dick monuments obviously isn't worth shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akta View Post
    if housing is well implemented, it can be a game changing experience. They can spread houses slots all around azeroth making dead zones alive. they can add decorations recipes all around the game.
    Yeah, because if there's one thing that will bring the millions flocking back, it's putting up a sweet mansion in Desolace. I've been playing since the AQ patch in Vanilla, and if there's one zone I could barely move around in because it was so packed, it's Desolace. I've always said that would be an awesome place for a nice little villa, with a balcony overlooking...

    Hmm. Is there even anything in Desolace worth looking at?
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  4. #344
    A housing system would take a healthy amount of time and resources to create and implement -- and it will never happen without another WoD-esque punting of an expansion or more.

  5. #345
    Surely there must be thousands that could improve any game, too bad they don't work in the field tho & keep their ideas to themselves, & devs aren't interested, Blizzard removed the suggestion forum a decade ago. All too sad.
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  6. #346
    I think its a little too ambitious foe their current team. I agree it's needed though. Could they retire the old content into wow classic type servers? And make an automated way to transfer characters back and forth I wonder?

  7. #347
    What I wouldn't give for a 10.0 that feels like TBC, but has M+ and RBGs with newer graphics and more in intricate rotations. Plus all the newer nonsense content like world quests, pet battles, mount farming etc... Throw in a "Final Fantasy 14"-like way to do older content and damn you have a good game.

    But, it's Activision Blizzard, and I don't believe they have what it takes to resurrect the game. I see WoW going as it has done for a good 6-8 years now. Steadily downhill with a few positive moments, until it inevitably fades out to nothing.

    But to the topic, yes, I do think they'll go for some sort of mega resolution to this story and try to pawn off some crap reset, and i'm 100% sure they will fail at pulling it off

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    Quote Originally Posted by TidalConflux View Post
    A housing system would take a healthy amount of time and resources to create and implement -- and it will never happen without another WoD-esque punting of an expansion or more.
    It likely wouldn’t take all that much work they already have a smattering of different houses/buildings they could use and a lot of junk they could use as things to put around a players home.

    All they would really need to do is figure out how they’d do there placement system and where the houses would go.
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  9. #349
    Quote Originally Posted by T-34 View Post
    The interesting issue here is why there are players, and they seem to very well represented here, that are unable to seek out like-minded people, organize themselves and play like they want to play?
    If the top 2% are able to find people like themselves, organize themselves and play like they want it, what stops the other 98% from doing the same?
    There is plenty of content for all skill levels, ranging from normal dungeons and LFR to high M+ and mythic raids.

    Maybe the "top-2%" spend more time thinking: "What can I do to improve myself and my in-game experience" instead of "What should others do to improve my in-game experience."

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    The vast majority of those that play WoW are self-aware and automatically seek out people who have a similar definition of fun, no matter how skilled they are at the game.

    And by that I mean that a tiny minority in-game, but vastly over-represented here, spends all their energy on demanding that others should play the game like they want instead of seeking out people with a similar definition of fun.
    Problem is path of least resistance. For top players this isnt issue becouse all they care about is being better player and beating challenge but for rest of playerbase? PoR is something they will consider when they make decision wha to do. And since PoL is doing lfg and lfr than sou have really massive playerbase what just do not come together and will always end up in easiest content. No becouse its fun. But becouse its covinient. Yes players in fact will ruin their own fun for sake of being efficient and have covinient way to beat content. But this is something you as dev supostu know and desing game around it. No sit and hope players will go againts human nature in order to have fun.

  10. #350
    I wonder if this is how the bronze dragonflight becomes the infinite dragonflight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    We're in desperate need of everything being visually updated to 2022/23 graphics as well as the engine getting a fresh oil change.
    Need vs what we'll get is the sad story of WoW. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by perera View Post
    I wonder if this is how the bronze dragonflight becomes the infinite dragonflight.
    I swear we already knew the answer to that... no?
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    Even if they do it, it's going to be too little, too late by now. The damage they've done to the lore of the game over BfA and SL can no longer be repaired without a complete reboot of the series. And with the recent puritanism ideologies Blizzard has adopted, I have very little faith in the game getting anything except worse.

  13. #353
    Quote Originally Posted by DeltrusDisc View Post
    Need vs what we'll get is the sad story of WoW. lol

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    I swear we already knew the answer to that... no?
    I guess maybe I missed it, I've been playing on and off for several years now. From what I've looked up (and I could be wrong), what we know is that the Old Gods convinced Nozdormu that if he can see his own death, maybe he can alter the events leading him there, and that's where the Infinite Dragonflight originally came from. But after Nozdormu realized this he has been avoiding that path, all the while knowing it's going to happen some day. Maybe giving into that power is what allows him to fight Zovaal or something.

  14. #354
    Quote Originally Posted by Darththeo View Post
    WoW isn't going to die in 5 to 6 years.
    As long as it makes enough money, they'll push out content for years.

    Expansion cycles may become longer. It may go Freemium model that a lot of dying MMOs do. But, that model allows games that should have died to continue to go until it finally dies.
    Maybe they shouldn't rely on 2 year windows to recharge for the same game we've already paid for every single expansion Maybe they should just drop the Box price and continue to give us new experiences via content updates instead of trying to reinvent the wheel every 2 years which doesn't work. Restricting themselves to that kind of development window is what's ruining the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    Even if they do it, it's going to be too little, too late by now. The damage they've done to the lore of the game over BfA and SL can no longer be repaired without a complete reboot of the series. And with the recent puritanism ideologies Blizzard has adopted, I have very little faith in the game getting anything except worse.
    What you wrote is especially true when combined with your signature. Legion brought out the big guns, with maximum effort being put into even the smallest story developments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unholyground View Post
    Maybe they shouldn't rely on 2 year windows to recharge for the same game we've already paid for every single expansion Maybe they should just drop the Box price and continue to give us new experiences via content updates instead of trying to reinvent the wheel every 2 years which doesn't work. Restricting themselves to that kind of development window is what's ruining the game.
    Wow is definitely stuck in an out of date model.

    But, it is harder to change how it is done once a model is set up.

    Expansion have pretty much been about 3 raid tiers and then done since Wrath anyway. There is really no reason to be restrictive like that, WoD was only 2 because they cut a raid tier.

    Some stories feel like they would be better if told over longer period of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnagarde View Post
    What you wrote is especially true when combined with your signature. Legion brought out the big guns, with maximum effort being put into even the smallest story developments.
    even so, it was not that good, it had good things but a lot of things were mediocre at best

  18. #358
    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    We're in desperate need of everything being visually updated to 2022/23 graphics as well as the engine getting a fresh oil change.
    The graphics aren't the problem. Plenty of games before WoW had far superior graphics and they all failed miserably.
    Wow needs a good story, with great content that is fun and engaging.....not tedious and a "MUST or fall behind"
    Better graphics would still leave the CORE issues of WoW's problem. Bad story telling, lack of FUN and engaging content, and boring characters that are never fully tested and tend to be way OP or too Underpowered.

    I have zero faith in them to do right.

  19. #359
    For me to come back they would need to do the following:

    This is not Diablo. Get rid of the 75 levels of difficulty. I hate it. At most make normal and heroic and be done with it for dungeons and raids. Even if you make heroic as hard as mythic is now, do it and stop using it as a cheap method to retain players instead of making more content. People saying we need things like M+ are talking nonsense. Game was at its peek without this tripe and did fine.

    Get rid of daily grinds or limit it to a month for the entire expansion like before. I have no interest in grinding daily content throughout the entire expansion. I want time to actually play the fun portions of the game and explore.

    Keep one system and build on it like ESO. STOP resetting shit it's annoying and a complete lack of respect for the players time.

    I would 100% come back if these changes were made, but seriously doubt it will ever happen.

    I think the graphics and sound are honestly amazing for a game of its age and feel like it has aged very well. This is not Wows problem imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darththeo View Post
    Wow is definitely stuck in an out of date model.

    But, it is harder to change how it is done once a model is set up.

    Expansion have pretty much been about 3 raid tiers and then done since Wrath anyway. There is really no reason to be restrictive like that, WoD was only 2 because they cut a raid tier.

    Some stories feel like they would be better if told over longer period of time.
    It is a very restrictive model, especially for story development.
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