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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    The particle effects might fit balance Druids but the design doesn’t with the whole wizard hood book on the belt ect. But ya particle wise it beats any tier set so far.

    As far as 3D parts go most of the tier sets got it beat with I think only mage lock and Druid being behind.

    As far as robes still being the same since 2004 as classic ya that kinda sucks but the shop set uses the same thing so it’s not like they are selling us the first real robe or any thing.
    The rub is the cash shop set has more work put into it then the rest of the sets in the game currently. People are not impressed by that it just adds salt in the wounds that it comes right at the time they bring back tier sets and by what appears to be majority opinion they did a shit job at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Log Cabin View Post
    The rub is the cash shop set has more work put into it then the rest of the sets in the game currently. People are not impressed by that it just adds salt in the wounds that it comes right at the time they bring back tier sets and by what appears to be majority opinion they did a shit job at it.
    The shop set may very well Have more effort put into it I’m not gonna lie and say I know if it’s more time consuming to do some particle effects compared to modelling and texturing extra 3D pieces, but to say any thing along the line of “the shop set is better in every way” or “the tier sets lack 3D assets or is reusing old 3D assets” is just wrong in most cases.
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  3. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    The shop set may very well Have more effort put into it I’m not gonna lie and say I know if it’s more time consuming to do some particle effects compared to modelling and texturing extra 3D pieces, but to say any thing along the line of “the shop set is better in every way” or “the tier sets lack 3D assets or is reusing old 3D assets” is just wrong in most cases.
    I don't think you can ever argue cosmetics are better in everyway. People still use select vanilla mogs for the way they are designed. That said effort put into sets can be judged. I stand by what I said. I expect each cash shop set to have about an expansions worth of extra effort put into it then current offerings to be desirable.

    Just like how cash shop mounts work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Log Cabin View Post
    I don't think you can ever argue cosmetics are better in everyway. People still use select vanilla mogs for the way they are designed. That said effort put into sets can be judged. I stand by what I said. I expect each cash shop set to have about an expansions worth of extra effort put into it then current offerings to be desirable.

    Just like how cash shop mounts work.
    Your right you can’t quantify better but effort obviously can be measured with things like texture quality polygon count extra effects ect.

    The problem comes in actually telling what parts of measurable assets take more effort to do and unless there are people experienced with the wow engine and how particles textures and 3D modelling works in it we can’t say which parts took longer to do.
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  5. #125
    This whole situation is obviously unacceptable. Anyone defending the transmog-set is suffering from serious Stockholm syndrome.

    I don't even like the cash-shop set's aesthetic, but it's abundantly clear a LOT more time and effort went into it than the "Tier Sets" being added in 9.2. It has been made abundantly clear, time and time again, even after the fucking "shards of domination", that "Tier Sets" are NOT about "set bonuses", they're about class aesthetics. Two patches in a row, Blizzard has played dumb on this.

    Now, obviously Blizzard is in a whole heaping mess right now. You've got the lawsuits, then other employees are spending time retroactively making the game "woke", all while there's clearly no cohesive vision for WoW anyways. But these recent cash-shop additions are making a bad situation look infinitely worse, and it's absolutely incredible that Blizzard must straight-up NOT HAVE a PR team.

    I'm not even being facetious when I say, it is almost like people at Blizzard *want* the company to go under. I legitimately don't think their optics could be any worse than they are not, even if they tried (or perhaps they already are?).

  6. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy View Post
    Imagine making these sets:



    And then putting THAT set into the store:



    Just check out the 3D models, the animations, the colors.
    You cannot tell me that the store set is less detailed and people have made a lot less effort in designing it.

    The animation is really beautiful:
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...3JYmESIusu.mp4

    The Murlocs backpack is also cool:


    Though I don't really think it's a big problem compared to the items we're getting for paying the subscription compared to the ones we can buy.
    The store bought ones are effing ugly lmao.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claymore View Post
    This whole situation is obviously unacceptable. Anyone defending the transmog-set is suffering from serious Stockholm syndrome.

    I don't even like the cash-shop set's aesthetic, but it's abundantly clear a LOT more time and effort went into it than the "Tier Sets" being added in 9.2. It has been made abundantly clear, time and time again, even after the fucking "shards of domination", that "Tier Sets" are NOT about "set bonuses", they're about class aesthetics. Two patches in a row, Blizzard has played dumb on this.

    Now, obviously Blizzard is in a whole heaping mess right now. You've got the lawsuits, then other employees are spending time retroactively making the game "woke", all while there's clearly no cohesive vision for WoW anyways. But these recent cash-shop additions are making a bad situation look infinitely worse, and it's absolutely incredible that Blizzard must straight-up NOT HAVE a PR team.

    I'm not even being facetious when I say, it is almost like people at Blizzard *want* the company to go under. I legitimately don't think their optics could be any worse than they are not, even if they tried (or perhaps they already are?).
    The store item is a particle effect and outline which is used on multiple transmogs and character models. Likely to mean it's saved as a default effect requiring less effort. Looking pretty does not equal more effort if it's things they've done in the past.

    Secondly there have been multiple instances in the past where tier sets had no link to the class or raid the item's dropped from. Sometimes they just design set's to look cool and they don't.

  8. #128
    Ok so whether a set is beautiful or not is entirely subjective and there are a couple tiers that I prefer over the store set (eg; Paladin mythic variant).

    What is objective though is that there is a metric ton more effort being put into the store set with the animations, glow effects and all the separate 3d pieces. This is a set that is in general of much higher quality than most things that are available in game and I do not think this is acceptable.

  9. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by Relapses View Post
    Thank you for reminding us that capitalism is bad. I'll be sending my congressman a sternly worded letter and hopefully he will address this in a timely manner.
    Capitalism is bad because you have to pay for stuff? Srsly??

    Greed is what is bad. Don’t reward greedy people

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    Capitalism is bad because you have to pay for stuff? Srsly??

    Greed is what is bad. Don’t reward greedy people
    Where's the greed? Greed, to me, sounds like charging a monthly service fee to access a video game. Why aren't we up in arms about that?
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    I really wish they put some more celestial shit in the future. Hmm, I would like to have a celestial house for example instead of a swampy garrison. I would be having a portal to the realm of juiciness, god that would be so lovely. For now, I guess, I'm satisfied with living with Algalon in Ulduar. At least he's not lonely anymore. Of course, I also would like a nice weapon and more pets
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  12. #132
    I have no problem with transmog/mounts other shop items that don't really fit in with the current themes, (Such as glow kitty or sparkle pony) it's just annoying when you see more work on them than in the models in game.

    My main issue is when you end up with something like an expansion filled with giant sprite darters and ravager mounts, but they're in the shop already so we just get more reskins in game.

    Or the banana dragon, which it seems a lot like it was meant to have been a reward for the "Chromatic Champion" achivement but then was changed to be a store mount to get some more money from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloudmaker View Post
    I really wish they put some more celestial shit in the future. Hmm, I would like to have a celestial house for example instead of a swampy garrison. I would be having a portal to the realm of juiciness, god that would be so lovely. For now, I guess, I'm satisfied with living with Algalon in Ulduar. At least he's not lonely anymore. Of course, I also would like a nice weapon and more pets
    There's an Algalon-themed encounter in the next raid... he drops Algalon-themed gear, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Relapses View Post
    There's an Algalon-themed encounter in the next raid... he drops Algalon-themed gear, too.
    Don't even tell me about Rygelon. My homeboy from Southern Hemisphere. I just can't stand it ok? Why do they have to do this to me! Crushing my cosmic nerdy dreams! I don't even want gear out of him. I will be skipping this boss, unless there is a possibility to save him. Damn it.
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  15. #135
    Starting to notice there is much less vitriol coming towards these tier sets now. Can't say why, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy View Post
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    The only nice thing about the store set is the particle effects. The actual gear looks like dungeon blue bullshit.
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    Because fuck you, that's why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloudmaker View Post
    Don't even tell me about Rygelon. My homeboy from Southern Hemisphere. I just can't stand it ok? Why do they have to do this to me! Crushing my cosmic nerdy dreams! I don't even want gear out of him. I will be skipping this boss, unless there is a possibility to save him. Damn it.
    He's right up before Zovaal, part of the locked-off 3 bosses, and that makes me think that he will go down dropping some AWESOME lore-revealing quotes, at the very least.

    His death won't be in vain. If only we got there before Zovaal Dominated him, imagine that he'd say then. At least we get to free him, even if we can't save him.
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  18. #138
    Both look awful and low effort.

  19. #139
    Could someone quickly check and let us know how many total sets (class tiers, dungeon sets, questing sets, island expeditions sets, pvp sets, torghast, etc) are obtainable in-game vs how many are purchasable in the shop?

    I'd risk saying it's something like ~600 vs 2 (celestial thingie and yeti pajamas?)?

    How off am i?

    That said, is this really a concern?
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    i agree on this. while i never was a fun of this boring 2 and 4 tier set thing, i had a good laugh when i saw the set models. The sketchworks for the tier sets, look way far different from whatever you like to call the new models that made it into the game
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