Russian invasion of Ukraine

[KrayZ33]

There also was feel-good story earlier in the war about John Deere equipment that was taken from Ukrainian dealership and ended up in Chechnya being remotely disabled... or maybe you're talking about same thing? That probably didn't do much in the end as circumvention of this particular American tech is well-known.

Farms seem to be working just fine in occupied areas around Kherson and Melitopol; hard to see how Russia would impact areas where they never were around too.

That "story" was a video. You can see the bombs in the river, the explosions in the fields. Farming equipment hit by shells and bullets. Halls with the equipment being bombed and half destroyed. This was in Mykolajiw

I wonder what you are trying to say though. You still didn't adress what you think about Russia bombnig the theatre that killed up to 600 civilians btw. Are you trying to say they shoot their own equipment for fun or something? Are you still trying to paint a picture that russia isn't blocking grain and ports? Even though they themselves load and ship it out of Ukraine?

Why don't you just disappear from here? Everyone hates you anyway - what's your purpose?
What do you even mean when you say that Farms seem to be working fine in occupied areas around Kherson?
It took me 5 seconds to google that this isn't the case. And we aren't talking about a loss of 10-20% efficiency here. They are killing their own cows to get something to eat for their employees because they get absolutely no support in occupied Kherson. They don't get anything to feed the cattle with either. And the russian army seizes diesel, so they can't even properly use their equipment.

https://www.rferl.org/a/life-in-occu.../31823429.html

[Corvus]

There is a, somewhat valid, military argument: Having troops threaten Kyiv, even if you have no intent of capturing it, means that Ukrainian troops are tied up in the defense, which means they can't go anywhere else. Now I'm not saying that was the objective, but that's what he could eb alluding to.

Oh, it is a sound military tactic but we know that wasn't what they were doing as some Russian troops have admitted they were told their job was to be patrolling the streets if Kyiv after it was occupied at the start of the war.

[Santti]

According to a german article I've seen earlier, Russia attacks farms, farmers and their equipment specificially. They also steal them and send them to Russia.
The pictures seem to confirm that story. Their "harvest" are bombs and rockets this year.
Great... if it wasn't obvious already with the demand to lift sanctions for grain, Russia tries to weaponize hunger now. Despicable...

I've seen the satellite images of them stealing crops/grain but this is even worse since it shows that they consider these farms that are like 20 miles away from any frontline as worthwhile targets.

Maybe they got traumatized by farming equipment stealing their tanks?

[KrayZ33]

Oh, it is a sound military tactic but we know that wasn't what they were doing as some Russian troops have admitted they were told their job was to be patrolling the streets if Kyiv after it was occupied at the start of the war.

Lets not forget that according to Macron, Putin denies, *laughs* and says everything is instigated and fake when he talks to him about this war and about warcrimes and such. And Putin seems to have said while talking to him that he plans to seize *all* of Ukraine.
Obviously, we don't know what exactly has been said but I simply see no reason to not trust the words of Macron here.

To me... Putin has long lost his sanity and is the defacto Hitler of this decade.

[Shalcker]

That "story" was a video. You can see the bombs in the river, the explosions in the fields. Farming equipment hit by shells and bullets. Halls with the equipment being bombed and half destroyed. This was in Mykolajiw

There are no firefights in Nikolaev for equipment to be damaged by bullets.
Ukrainian army often tries to hide in same areas (there isn't much cover around farmlands for heavy weapons which isn't also used as cover for agricultural equipment) which causes them to get targeted.

I wonder what you are trying to say though. You still didn't adress what you think about Russia bombnig the theatre that killed up to 600 civilians btw.

Eyewitness reports from the building say it was Azov installing explosives - and even urging people to not leave shelter below before the blast. 600 deaths also ended up unconfirmed - shelter there held up. There are other eyewitness reports from other areas of Mariupol that this tactic was used more then once - blaming everything on Russians even when locals can clearly see where everything comes from. I guess Ukraine was fighting PR battle, and they needed the pictures early.

Single blast, only one strike is not how Russian aviation or artillery generally operates - you can check hits acknowledged by both sides to see the difference.

Are you still trying to paint a picture that russia isn't blocking grain and ports? Even though they themselves load and ship it out of Ukraine?

Ukraine blocked their own port in Odessa to prevent amphibious landing.

Yes, Russia isn't blocking ports at the moment.
Ukraine Latest: Russia Pledges to Open Sea Corridors, Kyiv Wary
Russia said it’s opening corridors for shipping from seven Ukrainian ports amid growing international criticism of an unfolding global food crisis triggered by its blockade. Kyiv warned that security issues could still prevent free passage.
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Humanitarian maritime corridors from Black Sea and Sea of Azov ports including Odesa will operate from 8 a.m. to 7 p.m. daily, Mikhail Mizintsev, a Defense Ministry official said according to an emailed statement. But shipments may not begin moving quickly because Ukraine would have to remove its mines after seeking assurances of protection from Russia’s Black Sea fleet.

(note that it's a bit cheeky as Russia currently controls entire Sea of Azov coastline)

Why don't you just disappear from here? Everyone hates you anyway - what's your purpose?

My purpose is to see flaws in my own arguments and reasoning by getting them attacked.

https://www.rferl.org/a/life-in-occu.../31823429.html

That's from end of April, we're already month ahead, things are starting to get better there.

[KrayZ33]

Eyewitness reports from the building say it was Azov installing explosives - and even urging people to not leave shelter below before the blast. 600 deaths also ended up unconfirmed - shelter there held up. There are other eyewitness reports from other areas of Mariupol that this tactic was used more then once - blaming everything on Russians even when locals can clearly see where everything comes from. I guess Ukraine was fighting PR battle, and they needed the pictures early.

Single blast, only one strike is not how Russian aviation or artillery generally operates - you can check hits acknowledged by both sides to see the difference.

Lmao.
What a big pile of *bullshit*
There is absolutely no proof for that propaganda whatsoever.

It seems like you fail to realize that you have no longer a free press that isn't controlled by the state.
Everytime anyone says anything *slightly* anti-russian in terms of "maybe this isn't a good idea, maybe we should stop this war for the sake of peace" etc. pp. they will literally face punishment.
Whatever you can dig up is worth absolutely *nothing*.
You are a waste of time when it comes to the discussion of this topic. Your side of things is completely unreliable and isn't worth shit.

[Shalcker]

Lmao.
What a big pile of *bullshit*
There is absolutely no proof for that propaganda whatsoever.

What do you see as proof of damage to theater being aviation bomb, as claimed by Ukraine?

Can each and every eyewitness that ended up on Russian side or remained in Mariupol lie for any reason? Sure.
Can Mariupol mayor - source of most Western "news about Mairupol", who immediately fled the city back in February - also lie? Definitely. After all, he is in Ukraine and Ukrainian SBU doesn't look kindly at those who try to contradict their narratives to the media.

[KrayZ33]

What do you see as proof of damage to theater being aviation bomb, as claimed by Ukraine?

Can each and every eyewitness that ended up on Russian side or remained in Mariupol lie for any reason? Sure.
Can Mariupol mayor - source of most Western "news about Mairupol", who immediately fled the city back in February - also lie? Definitely. After all, he is in Ukraine and Ukrainian SBU doesn't look kindly at those who try to contradict their narratives to the media.

First and formost it's Russia themselves that said the building was occupied by Azov and that's why they bombed it, before they spun it into a completely different direction.
Your country also has a history of using these bullshit false flag arguments and using paid actors.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/theres...d-in-slovyansk
https://www.stopfake.org/en/russian-...ifferent-sets/

And I don't think you got or understood that part that any anti-russian statement will get you into *serious* trouble.

[Specialka]

What do you see as proof of damage to theater being aviation bomb, as claimed by Ukraine?

Can each and every eyewitness that ended up on Russian side or remained in Mariupol lie for any reason? Sure.
Can Mariupol mayor - source of most Western "news about Mairupol", who immediately fled the city back in February - also lie? Definitely. After all, he is in Ukraine and Ukrainian SBU doesn't look kindly at those who try to contradict their narratives to the media.

You mean like those who expressed their disapproval of the war in a town council (or such) in Siberia and got their vote right revoked ?

[Poopymonster]

You mean like those who expressed their disapproval of the war in a town council (or such) in Siberia and got their vote right revoked ?

If they are unlucky, they get their right to live revoked.

[Specialka]

If they are unlucky, they get their right to live revoked.

It is true that it is easier to have democracy when you have killed all the opposition.

[Poopymonster]

It is true that it is easier to have democracy when you have killed all the opposition.

>.>
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That sounds like a plan from the ̶Q̶ Z playbook.

[Shalcker]

First and formost it's Russia themselves that said the building was occupied by Azov and that's why they bombed it, before they spun it into a completely different direction.

There are hundreds of various adjacent "Russian" bloggers that would go "We didn't bomb them, they bombed themselves, and if we did then they deserved it"; but as far as i'm aware official Russian position was always that no such airstrike happened, despite building being occupied by Azov.

You could always link me official Russian acknowledgment to prove me wrong.

Your country also has a history of using these bullshit false flag arguments and using paid actors.

As does Ukraine, sadly.

Remember "dead journalist killed by Russians" that ended up being alive and well?

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You mean like those who expressed their disapproval of the war in a town council (or such) in Siberia and got their vote right revoked ?

Or like when Zelensky banned entire set of oppositional parties on false pretext.

The two countries are remarkably similar in many ways; that's why integration of occupied territories is so easy to do, not a lot actually changes.

[Specialka]

There are hundreds of various adjacent "Russian" bloggers that would go "We didn't bomb them, they bombed themselves, and if we did then they deserved it"; but as far as i'm aware official Russian position was always that no such airstrike happened, despite building being occupied by Azov.

You could always link me official Russian acknowledgment to prove me wrong.

As does Ukraine, sadly.

Remember "dead journalist killed by Russians" that ended up being alive and well?

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Or like when Zelensky banned entire set of oppositional parties on false pretext.

The two countries are remarkably similar in many ways; that's why integration of occupied territories is so easy to do.

If you can't see the difference between the two, you are definitively lost to reason.

[Shalcker]

If you can't see the difference between the two, you are definitively lost to reason.

Same if you cannot see the similarities.

Anyone sane should be able to see both.

[Specialka]

Same if you cannot see the similarities.

Anyone sane should be able to see both.

No ? I mean they did it to foil a hit job from the Kremlin. You did it to cover your fuck up when you killed a ton of civilian. Let's not forget that while Macron was trying to have negotation and Putin was saying that they would wait before attacking or that they would not attack, Russia launched its war. Can anyone trust Russsia after that ?

As for assimilation, it is more likely that civilian have no choice in the matter. It is either obey us or disappear.

[Shalcker]

You linked a sting operation where the guy they were claiming was dead was in on the sting. It’s not uncommon when dealing with murder for hire and assassination attempts. The fact that you think it’s even remotely similar is sad. Drop this one as an example when you tweet/reddit/facebook.

"Sting operation" that was widely publicized and fooled Western media until they came clear...

It still shows that they have plenty of ways to shape Western opinion with false facts, getting Western media to blindly follow well-trodden narratives.

[Shalcker]

The story you linked is all about how it was a sting. Got something that shows it wasn’t? The guy involved says that’s what it was… sooooo…

You seem to be missing my point - which is Western media uncritically taking anything said by Ukrainian officials if it happens to fit their anti-Russian narratives.

"Justified lies" are still lies; saying "someone was killed by Russians" while noone actually was killed is false flag.

[Makabreska]

Phew, back to usual talk.

[Forogil]

According to a german article I've seen earlier, Russia attacks farms, farmers and their equipment specificially. They also steal them and send them to Russia.

But, there is a both sides to this:

Russians allegedly also steal Russian equipment!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ort/ar-AAXL8FD

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