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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    A simple google would remove the need to question it, also he wrote China and India, nothing else, which you changed.
    Nah, bruv.

    Let's refresh your memory:
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Like half the global population since China + India are what now ? 3 billions or 4 combined ? Then you add Africa country which have no love for westerners.
    That reads as "It's more than half the global population because China and India get you close, and the rest of the countries (including a bunch of African countries) will put you over the halfway mark."

    It was always more than just China and India. The only thing you continue to get hung up on, which is so completely irrelevant to the point being made, is that China and India are only 2.8b, rather than within the 3b-4b range that was not even a statement, but a question.

    Googling wasn't even really all that important, because whether or not China + India got over 3b is far, far less relevant than the overall combined population of all the countries that voted "no" or abstained, which, as I said, tallies 4.17b.

    At no point did that post claim that China + India alone were more than half the world population.


    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    Also the point was, made up numbers are useless as an argument, somehow you got it but at the same time not.
    Nope, I got it.

    The only person making up numbers was you. Glad you acknowledge that your post was useless.


    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    And I agree in your final conclusion. Not interested in debating with someone who's entry is simple insults. The ignore button is there for a reason, thankfully.
    Actually, while you made up numbers, I actually posted factual numbers. One of those is constructive and the other is not.

    But I guess you'll just handwave those as "simple insults" and hide behind your Ignore button.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Nah, bruv.

    Let's refresh your memory:

    That reads as "It's more than half the global population because China and India get you close, and the rest of the countries (including a bunch of African countries) will put you over the halfway mark."

    It was always more than just China and India. The only thing you continue to get hung up on, which is so completely irrelevant to the point being made, is that China and India are only 2.8b, rather than within the 3b-4b range that was not even a statement, but a question.

    Googling wasn't even really all that important, because whether or not China + India got over 3b is far, far less relevant than the overall combined population of all the countries that voted "no" or abstained, which, as I said, tallies 4.17b.

    At no point did that post claim that China + India alone were more than half the world population.



    Nope, I got it.

    The only person making up numbers was you. Glad you acknowledge that your post was useless.



    Actually, while you made up numbers, I actually posted factual numbers. One of those is constructive and the other is not.

    But I guess you'll just handwave those as "simple insults" and hide behind your Ignore button.
    I'll honor you with a simple reply, since you can't seem to let go of petty squabbles.

    The population argument is completely irrelevant in the first place, why? Because while a country's goverment speaks on behalf of the country, they do not represent the opinion of every single citizen. I'm sure your president does not represent your opinion at all times.

    So we're back to the pointless "x billion people is on russias side", since you're arguing for the fact that half the worlds population is on Russias side, it's on you to present that fact, which is in fact impossible.

    And again, a simple google would have removed the need to put up a question, which simply is an escape for inflating a number by more than 25%.

    Now you're more than welcome to stay in your "U DID A WRONG AND I INTERNETOWNT U ON IT!!1" track if you want to, but while I seem to feed into your idea of owning people on the internet, you provide nothing that resembles an intelligent discussion for me, which is why the ignore button is a lovely tool.

    Now please do go on with projecting your insecurities.
    Last edited by Crispin; 2022-05-17 at 04:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    even the dogs are defecting https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status...52701220528128

    looks like a good boi

    Do Russians really want to die so putin and his cronies can live like kings with million dollar yachts while they get robbed at every opportunity . You have to wonder when the Russian army will down tools.
    Yes they do. Russians hate westerners. They'd happily make their dictators and elites more wealthy and die in the process if it gave them a chance to kill one. The pinned post on their subreddit is literally an angry rant with a fair amount of support calling for all westerners to be hanged and executed, so it's not really generalizing to say this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    The continuing claim it’s a pyrrhic victory would belie that statement. It’s not. Yes, they got beat up. That doesn’t in any way mean it’s coming at too high a cost. Which is the only interpretation of pyrrhic. It’s the same as being defeated when you say it’s a pyrrhic victory. That’s fucking bullshit.
    When you call something a pyrrhic victory (a success that comes with great losses or unacceptable costs), it's often used as slight hyperbole. In this instance, even if the Ukrainians win thousands are dead (civilian and military), an unknown number of human rights abuses have been committed (incl. rape, targeting of civilians and civilian infrastructure, etc.), many cities are in ruin, infrastructure has been destroyed, and the largest humanitarian crisis in recent times has occurred. Winning will not undo all the things mentioned, but they will be free. The cost will be extreme, but they will have autonomy and the chance to rebuild.

    Saying that @Jastall was implying the Ukrainians shouldn't fight is a very bad faith interpretation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magical Mudcrab View Post
    When you call something a pyrrhic victory (a success that comes with great losses or unacceptable costs), it's often used as slight hyperbole. In this instance, even if the Ukrainians win thousands are dead (civilian and military), an unknown number of human rights abuses have been committed (incl. rape, targeting of civilians and civilian infrastructure, etc.), many cities are in ruin, infrastructure has been destroyed, and the largest humanitarian crisis in recent times has occurred. Winning will not undo all the things mentioned, but they will be free. The cost will be extreme, but they will have autonomy and the chance to rebuild.

    Saying that @Jastall was implying the Ukrainians shouldn't fight is a very bad faith interpretation.
    I think the more salient point is that the term Pyrrhic Victory, most specifically when it comes to a war, is a term to be used exclusively for the aggressor of any engagement.

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    There won't be any other victory for this war for either side anyway, so it's a moot point.

    At most they can hope to reduce the upcoming losses with Russia coming to its senses and cutting some sort of deal there, which I am sure eventually they will do once they finish huffing them drugs they are on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    There won't be any other victory for this war for either side anyway, so it's a moot point.

    At most they can hope to reduce the upcoming losses with Russia coming to its senses and cutting some sort of deal there, which I am sure eventually they will do once they finish huffing them drugs they are on.
    If Putler backs down he will be admitting he got tens of thousands of Russian soldiers killed or maimed for nothing and that risks costing him his power and his life.

    Putler does not give a damn about the Russian people and would happily get hundreds of thousands killed to protect himself and his own ego.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydin View Post
    If Putler backs down he will be admitting he got tens of thousands of Russian soldiers killed or maimed for nothing and that risks costing him his power and his life.

    Putler does not give a damn about the Russian people and would happily get hundreds of thousands killed to protect himself and his own ego.
    Eh, the full evacuation of Azovstal *might* give him a bit of wiggle room: Full control of Mariupol and Azov Battalion removed, it is spinnable as a victory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydin View Post
    If Putler backs down he will be admitting he got tens of thousands of Russian soldiers killed or maimed for nothing and that risks costing him his power and his life.

    Putler does not give a damn about the Russian people and would happily get hundreds of thousands killed to protect himself and his own ego.
    There is a limit to how long or hard he can go, eventually he will be forced to make some sort of deal.

    He's going to grab some more Lugansk area, dig in and negotiate. I think it's pretty close to happening too, the whole Azovstal thing might be a precursor.

    Also, he's not Stalin and these are not 40s. He can't execute his own people in droves for dodging or not following orders. He might have wished he could, but he can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    There is a limit to how long or hard he can go, eventually he will be forced to make some sort of deal.

    He's going to grab some more Lugansk area, dig in and negotiate. I think it's pretty close to happening too, the whole Azovstal thing might be a precursor.

    Also, he's not Stalin and these are not 40s. He can't execute his own people in droves for dodging or not following orders. He might have wished he could, but he can't.
    Why he couldn't? Russia is authoritarian country sliding into dictatorship. "Removing" failures is not impossible for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    Why he couldn't? Russia is authoritarian country sliding into dictatorship. "Removing" failures is not impossible for them.
    Because nowadays, you can't make that much people disappear without someone noticing. Maybe in North Korea, they can, but not in Russia, not yet, they are not that closed to the outside world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    I was going to ask if they were any good, but this is Eurovision. Being good seems completely irrelevant when it comes to winning.
    Some data analysts had looked at Eurovision before and concluded that you cannot win on sympathy alone and sympathy votes really only affect the middle of the pack; the good ones will still be on top and bad ones will still be at the bottom.

    This year, Ukraine was in fourth place after the jury awarded points and before viewer's votes were tallied.

  13. #20193
    It would be hilarious if Ukraine pulled a counter invasion and started annexing Russian territory for taking Crimea.
    Just don't reply to me. Please. If you can help it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    Some data analysts had looked at Eurovision before and concluded that you cannot win on sympathy alone and sympathy votes really only affect the middle of the pack; the good ones will still be on top and bad ones will still be at the bottom.

    This year, Ukraine was in fourth place after the jury awarded points and before viewer's votes were tallied.
    Ukraine got 439 televotes and the 2nd placed UK had 466 points in total.
    28 jury points was all they needed to secure the win. which would have been 19th out of 25 in jury votes.

    Normally sympathy votes alone will not give you a win.

    This year was different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausr View Post
    It would be hilarious if Ukraine pulled a counter invasion and started annexing Russian territory for taking Crimea.
    Funny tho it would be that would result in Russia throwing the kitchen sink at Ukraine.
    Lets not open that can of worms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    Why he couldn't? Russia is authoritarian country sliding into dictatorship. "Removing" failures is not impossible for them.
    I spent quite a lot of time here explaining to the people it's not all black and white and 0 to 100 km/h in 0.5 seconds.

    Russia of today is not Soviet Union of 20s-40s. It being authoritarian state, does not mean that it automatically executes people in droves for opposing/defecting/dodging. There is a lot of shit going on, but mass executions of their own "traitors" and "enemies of the people" is not on the menu.

    Some specific people may slip off balconies or get served tea, but it's not Soviet times where millions were shot/starved/worked to death by grampa Stalin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausr View Post
    It would be hilarious if Ukraine pulled a counter invasion and started annexing Russian territory for taking Crimea.
    That would be bad...like REALLY bad, russia would say that's an existential threat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    Some data analysts had looked at Eurovision before and concluded that you cannot win on sympathy alone and sympathy votes really only affect the middle of the pack; the good ones will still be on top and bad ones will still be at the bottom.

    This year, Ukraine was in fourth place after the jury awarded points and before viewer's votes were tallied.
    And juries are prohibited to award sympathy votes? No they aren't. It's been a decades old practice where neighboring countries give each other the full amount of points. This year that didn't happen a lot. Wonder why....
    It wasn't a bad song but without this invasion it would never made top 10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Because nowadays, you can't make that much people disappear without someone noticing. Maybe in North Korea, they can, but not in Russia, not yet, they are not that closed to the outside world.
    And what would outside world do if some Russian generals did disappear? Sanction them harder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    And what would outside world do if some Russian generals did disappear? Sanction them harder?
    Outside world? Not much. Fellow Russians in power, seeing how their Glorious Leader™ starts going apeshit? Quite a lot. Putler does not have Stalin lvl of power and terror, and they wont stand for his paranoia. He starts executing high ranking officials, he gets quickly and quietly deposed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    That would be bad...like REALLY bad, russia would say that's an existential threat.
    Why though? What could they do that they are not already doing? How much more "strength" do you think the Russian army has?

    Hell at this point are we even sure that they actually have nukes? Are we sure they even work? Lol

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