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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    We can only hope.
    you could, but don't hold your breath

    I'm sure there's something up, but best to not get your hopes up. OTOH these things can suddenly take a turn for the worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    We can only hope.
    It is my life experience that the worst kind of people is also the one that is alive and resilient in spite of terminal diseases that should've killed them a long time ago, while good people suffer and die from the same causes. So, if anything, you should hope beyond hope that Putin is actually a kind and just man.

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    U.S. National Guardsmen trained Ukrainian soldiers and it seems to have paid off

    LEILA FADEL, HOST:

    Behind some of the success of Ukraine's military in its fight against Russia is a little-known U.S. initiative, an initiative built around a state National Guard. Jay Price of North Carolina Public Radio brings us this story.

    JAY PRICE, BYLINE: The skill of the Ukraine military surprised a lot of people, but not David Baldwin. When the California National Guard adjutant general got a text from a Ukrainian colonel saying the invasion had begun, his first reaction was concern for his friends.

    DAVID BALDWIN: Then also a little bit of a calmer feeling because I knew that these guys were ready for this fight and that they were going to do well.

    PRICE: He knew that because for nearly 30 years, California's citizen soldiers have been helping Ukraine shape its military. And after Russia annexed Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula in 2014, the guards of several other states began pitching in. They've taught sniper skills, ambush tactics, aerial combat and how to launch the Javelin missiles celebrated for destroying so many Russian tanks. They also helped Ukraine build an asset Russia doesn't have - a cadre of noncommissioned officers who know how to lead from the front lines. Troops from Ukraine and California have flown back and forth dozens of times for exercises and training. Baldwin lost count of his own visits to Ukraine after 40.

    BALDWIN: Yes, we do increase actual combat capability of our partners, but what we really deliver is this notion of the United States is there to help your country. We really are coming in to help.

    PRICE: The Ukrainians say that's true. Major General Borys Kremenetsky is the Ukrainian defense attache in the Washington embassy.

    BORYS KREMENETSKY: This partnership help us to increase our combat capabilities and to increase the spirit of our - not only soldiers, but population at all.

    PRICE: The State Partnership Program is a joint initiative between individual states and the Pentagon, but it's not just about military training. It also models values like civilian control of the military and abiding by international law for combatants. The program now partners state guards with more than 90 nations. When it started, though, it was aimed squarely at one region.

    (SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED NPR BROADCAST)

    ROBERT SIEGEL, BYLINE: This is All Things Considered. I'm Robert Siegel. Mikhail Gorbachev resigned today as president of a country that had already dissolved - the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

    PRICE: In 1991, as the remnants of the Soviet Union came apart, the United States saw an opportunity.

    JOHN FINNEY: The Department of Defense believed that we should reach out to these nations in central and Eastern Europe who had been part of the Warsaw Pact...

    PRICE: John Finney is a senior strategic adviser with the National Guard Bureau.

    FINNEY: ...To help them refashion their militaries, which were, of course, developed under the Soviet Union, and prepare them for more modern military engagements and to prepare them for eventual membership in NATO.

    PRICE: Finney says the Pentagon chose the National Guard for the mission because it felt that would seem less threatening to Russia. And Guard troops can build long-term relationships because, unlike regular active duty troops, they often stay with the same unit for years.

    Baldwin, the California Guard adjutant general, says he's been working with Ukrainians since 1994. He's now acting as a conduit between the Pentagon and Ukraine commanders on things like battlefield intelligence and weapons needs.

    BALDWIN: We can have very frank discussions about what they're asking for and what the U.S. can deliver or can't deliver. And sometimes it softens the blow, if we're giving them bad news, if it comes from me rather than from the U.S. government. And then by the same token, I can also, you know, encourage them and coach them on things that are in the realm of possibility that they can ask for.

    PRICE: Baldwin is talking to his embattled counterparts regularly. In fact, the day after the invasion, he activated his emergency headquarters in Sacramento. He wanted to make sure the guard's Ukrainian partners and friends had the round-the-clock support they need.

    For NPR News, I'm Jay Price.


    Rather interesting. I know California and Hawaii National Guards also hold joint training exercises with Taiwan, Indonesia, Japan, South Korea and Philippine militaries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Thanks for the head's up, will take a few days off until they are gone again. This thread is seriously unlivable with Shalcker in it.
    Honestly, he posts stuff more interesting than most of the posters here that just post memes or shit. At least, with him, we get to view how it is seen on the other side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Honestly, he posts stuff more interesting than most of the posters here that just post memes or shit. At least, with him, we get to view how it is seen on the other side.
    Not really hard to figure out how they think out there. Just follow official Russian propaganda, they parrot it 1:1. And if you find his constant and ridiculous Russian shilling supported by imaginary, headcanon arguments he did for years interesting, then ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Not really hard to figure out how they think out there. Just follow official Russian propaganda, they parrot it 1:1. And if you find his constant and ridiculous Russian shilling supported by imaginary, headcanon arguments he did for years interesting, then ok.
    I find it more interesting than what most posters post in the thread.

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    A train load of Russian T62M tanks have been seen in occupied Melitopol in Ukraine.

    They might be sending them to the separatists, but, impossible as it seems, they do seem to be destined for the war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    A train load of Russian T62M tanks have been seen in occupied Melitopol in Ukraine.

    They might be sending them to the separatists, but, impossible as it seems, they do seem to be destined for the war.
    Needs must when the devil drives, I guess.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    A train load of Russian T62M tanks have been seen in occupied Melitopol in Ukraine.

    They might be sending them to the separatists, but, impossible as it seems, they do seem to be destined for the war.
    I guess that's why they needed to scrap the upper age limit for signing up with the army, so they didn't need to train the crew.

    Meanwhile there seems to be no love lost between the separatist areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    I guess that's why they needed to scrap the upper age limit for signing up with the army, so they didn't need to train the crew.

    Meanwhile there seems to be no love lost between the separatist areas.
    I do wonder if it also has to do with the fact that Russia is simply losing a whole bunch of their young male population at a time when their population is already declining. Better to lose the men who have had a chance to procreate, I guess.

    Besides, I'm not sure the under-20 male crowd actually make the best soldiers, these days.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    I guess that's why they needed to scrap the upper age limit for signing up with the army, so they didn't need to train the crew.

    Meanwhile there seems to be no love lost between the separatist areas.
    I wonder if this is staged so they can go. "Look see totally independent from Russia, we hate those guys in Luhansk too."

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    Quote Originally Posted by alkyd View Post
    There are two views about how strong or weak this conflicts makes Russia look

    1. It's obviously the most prominent in the West and on this forum which is the fact that Russia has performed poorly in Ukraine.

    2. The other view is that everybody knows that this conflict has become a proxy war between NATO and Russia. The Western politicians especially wanted to make it Vietnam 2.0 for Putin. Ukraine got tremendous military and financial aid and training from the NATO/EU to the point that stock levels of certain weaponry started depleting. Nevertheless, despite all the aid to Ukraine and anti-Russia sanctions, Russia has slowly advanced to their goals in Ukraine and its economy did not crumble as many have expected.

    The fact that NATO and EU couldn't break Russia with all the sanctions and military aid to Ukraine gives good PR opticals for Russia.
    It's way too soon to say that. Even the guy who in his every prediction includes "Crimea goes to Russia 100%, done deal", also (correctly) says sanctions won't make Russia crumble in one year. It's only been 3 months. With Lend-Lease, Ukrainian military victory looks much more likely than I predicted 2 months ago, but it will take time. Still, if you'll ever have grandchildren, they will learn at school "Ukraine defeated Russia in the war of 2014-2023. (or even 2024)" And Western help will be covered in more advanced study of that war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    I wonder if this is staged so they can go. "Look see totally independent from Russia, we hate those guys in Luhansk too."
    Doesn't matter what they want - Russia will expend them like the cannon fodder they are and then take over (or try) their lands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alkyd View Post
    2. The other view is that everybody knows that this conflict has become a proxy war between NATO and Russia. The Western politicians especially wanted to make it Vietnam 2.0 for Putin. Ukraine got tremendous military and financial aid and training from the NATO/EU to the point that stock levels of certain weaponry started depleting. Nevertheless, despite all the aid to Ukraine and anti-Russia sanctions, Russia has slowly advanced to their goals in Ukraine and its economy did not crumble as many have expected.

    The fact that NATO and EU couldn't break Russia with all the sanctions and military aid to Ukraine gives good PR opticals for Russia.
    Need I remind you that *Russia* attacked *Ukraine*? They're the only ones who think it's a proxy war.

  15. #20595
    Speaking of the separatists, it seems that Russian propaganda may be backfiring slightly with regards to them. Russian milbloggers are now complaining about the treatment they are getting, about the lack of equipment and even lack of pay they are receiving. After all, Russian propaganda this whole time has been the war was started to protect the people of Donbas. Putin only used them as an excuse and is treating them as such, but that stands in opposition to the ongoing propaganda, so to treat them as badly are they are while at the same time saying the war is to protect them is causing issues with the Russian milbloggers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XDurionX View Post
    Ukrainian secret service has "confirmed" that Putin has cancer, take that as you will.
    Putin does not have cancer. Putin is cancer.

  17. #20597
    The news lately spam that Donbas will be lost and that Ukraine will enter in EU but not Nato, they seem to set the ground for such deal. I wonder if the Russians will accept this deal or try to go further than Donbas and reinforce further their army. I personally think that the west is very confident with such deal because something bigger is involved, like "accept this deal or ww3"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampiregenesis View Post
    The news lately spam that Donbas will be lost and that Ukraine will enter in EU but not Nato, they seem to set the ground for such deal. I wonder if the Russians will accept this deal or try to go further than Donbas and reinforce further their army. I personally think that the west is very confident with such deal because something bigger is involved, like "accept this deal or ww3"
    There is zero chance of Ukraine getting into the EU until ten-fifteen years at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampiregenesis View Post
    The news lately spam that Donbas will be lost and that Ukraine will enter in EU but not Nato, they seem to set the ground for such deal. I wonder if the Russians will accept this deal or try to go further than Donbas and reinforce further their army. I personally think that the west is very confident with such deal because something bigger is involved, like "accept this deal or ww3"
    I think Russia would settle for getting Donbas and their land bridge to Crimea.

    But what Russia would accept is not relevant when Ukraine has no reason to accept anything less what they had before the invasion started. The long term conflict favours them, not Russia.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampiregenesis View Post
    The news lately spam that Donbas will be lost and that Ukraine will enter in EU but not Nato, they seem to set the ground for such deal. I wonder if the Russians will accept this deal or try to go further than Donbas and reinforce further their army. I personally think that the west is very confident with such deal because something bigger is involved, like "accept this deal or ww3"
    The news have no clue and aren't thinking clearly.

    Here's the inside scoop of how it's going to go down: The Ukraine will retake everything. And they will join whatever organisation they want to join. They are WINNING this war.

    Russia's cooperation is not needed for anything. There is nothing Russia could negotiate with.

    Russia "accepting the deal" is irrelevant. Russian opinion is insignificant to the outcome to all those decisions.
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