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People constantly shift to emotions here when cold look at facts and options would allow to do a lot more damage to Russia.Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
No, it was best deal they could get after two military defeats (that's what 2 stands for in Minsk-2).Suggesting that Ukraine should have negotiated a better deal for peace with Russia than the last one is also hilarious.
Or West will prove impotent and Russian energy paw will happen to be stronger.The only thing they understand is a foot on the throat. Hopefully, with western help, Ukraine will apply that foot.
Either way we will be living in interesting times.
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2022-06-20, 12:36 PM #20821Banned
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2022-06-20, 12:58 PM #20822The Lightbringer
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Give us a minute to make preparations will you please?, we are coming...tick tock... Originally Posted by Shalcker
UK tipped to 'go in and kick Putin out' of Ukraine
https://www.express.co.uk/news/scien...-defence-lates
UK Army chief issues Russia rallying cry
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61858476
British troops must prepare "to fight in Europe once again" as the war in Ukraine continues, the new head of the Army has warned
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ht-Europe.html
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-w...-army-1263663713/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
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2022-06-20, 01:30 PM #20823Scarab Lord
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oh SHIT, is it finally happening? Originally Posted by dribbles
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2022-06-20, 02:02 PM #20824Elemental Lord
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Yes, your wild fantasies will finally happen. Shelter prepped and stocked? Originally Posted by YUPPIE
Sometimes, the light of the moon is a key to other spaces. I've found a place where, for a night or two, the streets curve in unfamiliar ways. If I walk here, I might find insight, or I might be touched by madness.
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2022-06-20, 02:34 PM #20825Scarab Lord
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given how Russia maintained their army, I don't think their nukes will work. Originally Posted by Makabreska
On another note, I'm very disappointed in the West's reconnaissance and secret service capabilities because it's been touted to be legendary. We never knew Russia's army was incapable for all those years, assuming they were strong as fuck instead, and we still don't even know whether they have functioning nukes or not. And despite the aforementioned fame and America's infamy for foreign intervention, Putin wasn't assassinated before the Ukraine invasion. We knew he would eventually do it from at least 2013 too.
How many lives could have been saved with him dead so long ago? And not just Ukraine, but the destabilized regions he's ruined or annexed and is currently sending cannon fodder into Ukraine from.
It honestly enrages me for how much there are people chanting for his death now and doing these scary practices, there are people that say it's wrong to wish him dead, or that he can have an out (Joe Biden).Last edited by YUPPIE; 2022-06-20 at 02:42 PM.
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2022-06-20, 02:41 PM #20826Over 9000!
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Nah. I wish we went there to fight this and kick Russians out of Ukraine, but I doubt there is any intervention beyond some volunteers from individual countries. Originally Posted by YUPPIE
But who knows. Maybe we will do so, out of our own interests. Trade, for the most part.Last edited by Santti; 2022-06-20 at 02:44 PM.
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2022-06-20, 02:41 PM #20827Over 9000!
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No, express is a newspaper that openly admits to bullshitting, what was said was be prepared if Russia escalates. Originally Posted by YUPPIE
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2022-06-20, 02:41 PM #20828Epic!
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'Don't look at the shitshow of Brexit and us trying to break agreements we negotiated (just like Russia does huh?) because we're going to do something! I mean we're not going to do anything but the idiots who love Brexit will lap this shit up.' Originally Posted by dribbles
That's what I get from that to be honest. Lets face it, the UK is not going to go in alone no matter what the new head of the army wants but will go in as part of a NATO force if it comes to that and I don't know if you've noticed but that's something that pretty much everyone is trying to avoid....
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2022-06-20, 02:44 PM #20829Scarab Lord
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you know they're executing captive American and British volunteers from that war? They still have them captive too. Originally Posted by Santti
Why don't we fight over that?"Truth...justice, honor, freedom! Vain indulgences, every one(...) I know what I want, and I take it. I take advantage of whatever I can, and discard that which I cannot. There is no room for sentiment or guilt."
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2022-06-20, 02:49 PM #20830Over 9000!
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I doubt that's ever going to be a reason. They volunteered, despite our countries telling them not to go. Originally Posted by YUPPIE
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2022-06-20, 02:53 PM #20831Scarab Lord
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but they're making a big show of it, like they're goading us into doing something. And we're not? That's kowtowing. Originally Posted by Santti
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2022-06-20, 02:57 PM #20832I am Murloc!
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Oh dear god, yuppie and dribbles are joining up for their "expert" view on what's going to happen in the Ukraine war. I know right and wrong are supposedly binary, but it's quite possible this could be the most wrong ever seen in this forum.
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2022-06-20, 02:59 PM #20833Over 9000!
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It's not like they are doing nothing about it. I'm sure they are trying to free them, diplomatically. Which is probably not going to be very effective, I admit. Originally Posted by YUPPIE
Other countries directly intervening on behalf of Ukraine is the last thing Russia wants. They are struggling as it is. Originally Posted by SpaghettiMonk
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2022-06-20, 03:02 PM #20834The Lightbringer
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No one is talking about a nuclear exchange with Russia or a war for that matter. Originally Posted by YUPPIE
But yes a British special military operation, perhaps in coalition with other nations of the willing, to surgically remove Russia from Ukraine is the most likely outcome and would be quite easy. What else is the end game?
Those headlines I posted from across the UK media spectrum would not have been seen just a month ago. It is telling, to prepare the UK public, that they are being broadcast/printed on an almost daily basis now.13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
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2022-06-20, 03:10 PM #20835Epic!
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That would be due to the fact that the guy who is making these statements only attained his position last week. Originally Posted by dribbles
As far as Nicholas Drummond's article (your first link) is concerned he closes out the article with “The answer to solving the problem lies with China.”
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2022-06-20, 03:11 PM #20836Scarab Lord
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yeah, that'd be awesome and all, but remember: if you surgically remove Russia like that from Ukraine, and with ease no less, Putin may launch WMDs just because he's losing. They should technically direct their attention to assassinating Putin instead. Which may be easier said than done because who knows where the bastard is hiding or what measures he's taking. And even then, who knows where the reins to the evil Russian empire will go to after? He's just a cog in the machine and someone just as evil or worse is going to take his place. Originally Posted by dribbles
It's a tough no-win scenario in both. And even if Ukraine hypothetically wins on their own without foreign intervention, the fear of how Putin may react is always there.Last edited by YUPPIE; 2022-06-20 at 03:13 PM.
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2022-06-20, 03:13 PM #20837Warchief
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And that shit would pull russians anger towards the west, giving them a justified casus belli to attack Europe and the west. Originally Posted by dribbles
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2022-06-20, 03:19 PM #20838Over 9000!
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Are you serious? Russia can't deal with Ukraine, and you think they might attack EU/NATO? Originally Posted by Fuiking
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2022-06-20, 03:27 PM #20839Scarab Lord
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it's NOT a matter of thinking they can win, it's their little MAD/taking you with me card. Originally Posted by Santti
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2022-06-20, 03:29 PM #20840Scarab Lord
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Oh shit this must be the weirdest couple this site ever had. YUPPIE and dribbles.
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