Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Kaleredar]

You seem to be missing my point - which is Western media uncritically taking anything said by Ukrainian officials if it happens to fit their anti-Russian narratives.

"Justified lies" are still lies; saying "someone was killed by Russians" while noone actually was killed is false flag.

"Until an official Russian source says that Russia carried out war crimes, I'm going to ignore the entire rest of the world saying that they did. Because Ukraine once pretended a journalist was dead, can you really trust them when they say the Russians that occupied a town brutally raped and murdered the civilians there and left a mass grave when the only evidence is the word of the survivors there, satellite imagery showing Russians building the graves, and the fact that numerous different localities have said the exact same thing?"

I hope, over the course of your vacation, that you realize how nonsensical that is. You'd be the german in WW2 saying "there are no concentration camps, those are all just allied lies to make the Germans look worse; I wont believe it until I hear the Germans say it themselves. You're going to believe Britain, the country that perpetrated operation mincemeat and planted fake intel on a fake dead officer to try and trick the Axis powers? They're really just the same." Because make no mistake; the Russians are the Nazis in this scenario.

Or don't realize it. It really doesn't affect the rest of us who actually understand what's going on. The rest of the world is under no illusion about what Russia is doing and has done, warcrimes included. You've fooled and convinced no one.


...Or am I on your "do not engage with" list, seeing as how my responses to you in which I cited numerous articles that pointed out the inner turmoil in Russia, various Russian citizens and official's dim outlook on their future, and comments from a Chinese official in which he called Russia's entire operation a folly, losing prospect, all went unanswered, as if you conveniently didn't see things that didn't fit your narrow worldview about how the future of Russia looks rosy and how China is your bestest friend ever?

[KrayZ33]

I sometimes wonder - and I'm not really into this and it shouldn't happen, but I still wonder because the country I grew up in faced something like this - what would happen if Ukraine gave up on the south/east and say "we lost" and the west would marshall-plan the rest of Ukraine into a "proper" european country and rebuild everything while Russia will most likely struggle to rebuild the infrastructure in the occupied regions since they basically destroyed 90%+ of it.

I'm just trying to imagine how Russia would obviously try to pump money in there as well to not lose to the "West", just like the Soviets did in East Germany (which was still pathetic, relatively - so pathetic that we still spend money to equalize the west and east).. money they probably won't have because the sanctions won't stop. Formerly important industry such as the Azovstal steel works are completely destroyed anyway... in fact, they are already planing to demolish it.. or what is left of it.
Would Russia accept the status quo when Ukraine would say "okay, you get to keep the regions you conquered, but since you are not to be trusted, we will join NATO/EU"
And if they don't, wouldn't that officially and completely destroy the picture of their propaganda machine that tells people that they are not trying to invade a sovereign country and all that non-sense?

[qwerty123456]

"Until an official Russian source says that Russia carried out war crimes, I'm going to ignore the entire rest of the world saying that they did. Because Ukraine once pretended a journalist was dead, can you really trust them when they say the Russians that occupied a town brutally raped and murdered the civilians there and left a mass grave when the only evidence is the word of the survivors there, satellite imagery showing Russians building the graves, and the fact that numerous different localities have said the exact same thing?"

I hope, over the course of your vacation, that you realize how nonsensical that is. You'd be the german in WW2 saying "there are no concentration camps, those are all just allied lies to make the Germans look worse; I wont believe it until I hear the Germans say it themselves. You're going to believe Britain, the country that perpetrated operation mincemeat and planted fake intel on a fake dead officer to try and trick the Axis powers? They're really just the same." Because make no mistake; the Russians are the Nazis in this scenario.

Or don't realize it. It really doesn't affect the rest of us who actually understand what's going on. The rest of the world is under no illusion about what Russia is doing and has done, warcrimes included. You've fooled and convinced no one.


...Or am I on your "do not engage with" list, seeing as how my responses to you in which I cited numerous articles that pointed out the inner turmoil in Russia, various Russian citizens and official's dim outlook on their future, and comments from a Chinese official in which he called Russia's entire operation a folly, losing prospect, all went unanswered, as if you conveniently didn't see things that didn't fit your narrow worldview about how the future of Russia looks rosy and how China is your bestest friend ever?

You gotta remember that Russia has a history of trying to pass off videogame images as proof that X was totally someone elses fault and not theirs and he is constantly online spreading propaganda as a job so its likely Shalcker hasn't been outside in years and thinks real satellite images are fake since they don't have the Call of Duty logo on them.

[Yunru]

You gotta remember that Russia has a history of trying to pass off videogame images as proof that X was totally someone elses fault and not theirs and he is constantly online spreading propaganda as a job so its likely Shalcker hasn't been outside in years and thinks real satellite images are fake since they don't have the Call of Duty logo on them.

Is this Ukraine propaganda good enogh?


Also, just ignore Puting troll army.

[Twdft]

I'm just trying to imagine how Russia would obviously try to pump money in there as well to not lose to the "West", just like the Soviets did in East Germany (which was still pathetic, relatively - so pathetic that we still spend money to equalize the west and east).. money they probably won't have because the sanctions won't stop.

USSR didn't pump money into East Germany, they did in fact dismantle entire factories and took them as reparations home.

[Corvus]

Photos from a cemetery where one of the Russian paratrooper brigades is based - that is a lot of fresh graves

https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/s...82548528152576

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A Russian who stole a PS4 in Mariupol has emailed the owner demanding the password so he can play the games on it.

Orcs aren't that smart.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MelaniePo...39963004194817

[zorkuus]

Orcs aren't that smart.

Orcs also very poor. They have to steal basic shit we take for granted here in the civilized world. Also their shit government is stealing farming equipment and so on.

Shillcker: "almost 80% of ruzzki households have running water".

[Corvus]

The Ukrainians are claiming that in their offensive in the Kherson region they have taken out, among other things, 6 T-62 tanks, you know those obsolete tanks just taken out of storage that we were totally promised weren't going to end up in the fighting.

Hopefully we get some footage soon so Oryx can add them to the list.

[zealo]

Orcs also very poor. They have to steal basic shit we take for granted here in the civilized world. Also their shit government is stealing farming equipment and so on.

Shillcker: "almost 80% of ruzzki households have running water".

Its been weeks since he tried to push that sentiment, and it still baffles me he didn’t seem to think that tens of millions of Russians not having proper plumbing reflects badly on Russia.

[ati87]

Photos from a cemetery where one of the Russian paratrooper brigades is based - that is a lot of fresh graves

https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/s...82548528152576

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A Russian who stole a PS4 in Mariupol has emailed the owner demanding the password so he can play the games on it.

Orcs aren't that smart.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MelaniePo...39963004194817

This can't be real

[Iphie]

The Ukrainians are claiming that in their offensive in the Kherson region they have taken out, among other things, 6 T-62 tanks, you know those obsolete tanks just taken out of storage that we were totally promised weren't going to end up in the fighting.

Hopefully we get some footage soon so Oryx can add them to the list.

I could totally see this happen:

"Cue cries from Moscow about UA violating the Hague Convention for the Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict."

[Kaleredar]

I could totally see this happen:

"Cue cries from Moscow about UA violating the Hague Convention for the Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict."

Remember, these are the same people that dared to raise a cry about "theft" when other countries began seizing Russian assets after the war started.

[KrayZ33]

USSR didn't pump money into East Germany, they did in fact dismantle entire factories and took them as reparations home.

East Germany was the richest country in the Soviet Union and had the highest living standard and most stable economy of the Warsaw Bloc. It was a propaganda machine for the east to show that "their idea works! See?"

edit: At least they didn't siphon as much as from other countries which is, under soviet rule, basically the same thing.

[Lahis]

I sometimes wonder - and I'm not really into this and it shouldn't happen, but I still wonder because the country I grew up in faced something like this - what would happen if Ukraine gave up on the south/east and say "we lost" and the west would marshall-plan the rest of Ukraine into a "proper" european country and rebuild everything while Russia will most likely struggle to rebuild the infrastructure in the occupied regions since they basically destroyed 90%+ of it.

I'm just trying to imagine how Russia would obviously try to pump money in there as well to not lose to the "West", just like the Soviets did in East Germany (which was still pathetic, relatively - so pathetic that we still spend money to equalize the west and east).. money they probably won't have because the sanctions won't stop. Formerly important industry such as the Azovstal steel works are completely destroyed anyway... in fact, they are already planing to demolish it.. or what is left of it.
Would Russia accept the status quo when Ukraine would say "okay, you get to keep the regions you conquered, but since you are not to be trusted, we will join NATO/EU"
And if they don't, wouldn't that officially and completely destroy the picture of their propaganda machine that tells people that they are not trying to invade a sovereign country and all that non-sense?

They did fuck all with Karelia after they took it so I doubt Donbass would be any different.

[Crispin]

Orcs also very poor. They have to steal basic shit we take for granted here in the civilized world. Also their shit government is stealing farming equipment and so on.

Shillcker: "almost 80% of ruzzki households have running water".

lol I almost forgot that one. Most western countries have more households with internet than Russia has with running water, unreal.

[Gabriel]

lol I almost forgot that one. Most western countries have more households with internet than Russia has with running water, unreal.

Hah! Glorious russia wins yet again! Less people there are susceptible for Western internet degeneration! Besides, running water is bad for you okay?

[Gaidax]

"If there is no water in the tap, means Jews drank it all."

A quote from a satirical song by a well known Soviet actor, singer and songwriter Vysockij from many decades ago. The song basically was about various Soviet life issues and mocking of excuses for them.

Known issue from times immemorial. There is always some sort of conspiracy at work by the enemies or somehow it's not govt fault.

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This is by the way I keep telling here that what you see now is not Putin or something - it's the system that's there for hundreds of years that changes face and slogans from time to time.

This is why I am almost sure that eventually the system will drop Putin and pretend things are totally going to be different now - only to reveal another 2 decades down the road that nothing really changed... again.

[zorkuus]

lol I almost forgot that one. Most western countries have more households with internet than Russia has with running water, unreal.

As a finn, I find it kind of hard to believe that we have basically a 3rd world country as a neighbor.

[Lahis]

As a finn, I find it kind of hard to believe that we have basically a 3rd world country as a neighbor.

St. Petersburg and Moscow keep up an appearance of a developed and civilized country, but the further away you get from them, the Whittier it gets.

[zorkuus]

St. Petersburg and Moscow keep up an appearance of a developed and civilized country, but the further away you get from them, the Whittier it gets.

Look at what they did to Viipuri. Even though it looks mostly kinda idyllic, there's also lots of buildings that are just left to rot.