A world war? For who?
The US might think it controls all the members of NATO but it's the only that's actually trying to fight. Maybe the UK too. No one is going trying to find a fight over Ukraine or be a part of the US's foreign policy no matter how much but guys, it's Russia! complaining comes out of the WH.
WW2 blew up not because Germany and Japan were annexing a bunch of people, it was the genocide. Even then North America tried to put to blinders on until Japan tried to bluff the US out of the war.
Know why there hasn't been a World War since? Because the nations capable of carving out empires now have nukes and no one nation with nukes is trying to directly fight another nation with nukes. Not worth it. Despite the competition of egos, you need multiple nations to start a world war, and people don't give that much about Ukraine. It definitely isn't worth a nuclear standoff. Maybe if certain countries didn't spend decades destabilizing other countries in the same manner as Russia is doing with Ukraine we could find some moral horses to rally charge. But there are none and the argument to defend Ukraine is an ego check at best.
Literally not how it happened but I guess revising history is par for the course in a thread about Russia East Ukraine.
Whataboutism is not an excuse, especially when you're talking to people that have consistently opposed "certain countries" doing the same thing and when "certain countries" do NOT have a comparable history of active genocide in the places they destabilize, which Russia East Ukraine absolutely does in Ukraine.Maybe if certain countries didn't spend decades destabilizing other countries in the same manner as Russia is doing with Ukraine we could find some moral horses to rally charge.
Or is it legitimately going to take Holodomor 2 Electric Boogaloo for y'all to realise that "US bad" isn't actually a political position, it's an ideology of resentment?
Last edited by Elegiac; 2022-02-22 at 02:00 AM.
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
Certain people get their jollies trying to paint it as a great "Clash of Civilizations" between the East and West because it makes for good writing.
As opposed to, you know, the more banal task of reining in a belligerent and unstable post-imperial country that's lashing out at its neighbors in its socioeconomic death throes because its Tsar is a narcissistic turd.
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
are people questioning why china would get involved? They'll snatch Taiwan during the distraction or feel emboldened by Russia's actions. They're not methodical or intelligent in their methods of maintaining power, they just brute force.
i'll be happy if china gets shot by either side in the cross fire. that country treats its people and the world like utter garbage
"You know you that bitch when you cause all this conversation."
I don't think China yet has the capability to build an air bridge to Taiwan, and iirc they also don't have the landing craft to get significant forces on the beach. And an air assault in modern times is a terrific way to lose all your soldiers before they land.
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Jesus, your turnip credits must be sky rocketing. I love that you think country's joining an alliance willingly is the same as another country being invaded.
This is really only the first step. None of Herr Putler's demands have been meat, and nor will they. NATO isn't going to roll back out of Eastern Europe. Ukraine isn't going to be permanently banned from seeking membership. And after the frothing at the mouth at the 'live' security council meeting, with claims of genocide, of Ukraine getting nuclear weapons, of attacks on Russia itself, and everything else, simply occupying the separatists regions isn' going to solve any of those issues.
Incidentally, there was a lightly amusing part of the whole charade, the only one in it, when the intelligence minister sort of accidentally spilled the beans talking of integrating the separatists regions and Putler corrected him saying tehy weren't talking about that 'yet' - the man looked absolutely terrified when Putler corrected him and Putler looked like he was relishing it, the only time during the whole thing he didn't looked bored.
One of the more bizarre things going around is so many people pushing the idea that Russia can simply waltz in, overthrow the Ukrainian government and install a puppet regime and waltz out again. For started the international community would not acknowledge it, and nor would the Ukrainian population. And I can't see the Ukrainian military just switching allegiances like that. The whole thing would collapse without a long, costly and bloody occupation to prop it up.
Inb4 "but Euromaidan".
I'ma ask the Putinistas the same question I pose to Republicans that criticise urban electorates for constantly voting Democrat even if said Democrats are kinda shitheads (see: Andrew Garcetti, Diane Feinstein, Jenny Durkan, etc.): Why, if NATO is so bad, why have y'all not been able to offer a sufficiently attractive alternative without resorting to force? Do you not realise how much of a self-own it is that as bad as you claim NATO is, y'all are the second choice unless people have a literal gun to their heads? Rofl.
Last edited by Elegiac; 2022-02-22 at 04:01 AM.
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
Damn, Kenya gave an amazing speech at the UN Security Council. And Ghana said that the UN veto needs to go.
Last edited by Corvus; 2022-02-22 at 04:17 AM.
Everybody in a world should see real picture, that is surrealistic, because of how USA is allowed to distort facts about this situation. All this things are about economical domination. I.e. real goal - is to destroy NS2. First Ukraine was used to blackmail EU via threat of stopping Russian gas transit. But Russia invested millions of $$$ in order to avoid this blackmailing - i.e. to build NS2 to bypass Ukraine territory. And therefore situation about starting NS2 soon caused total hysteria in USA's government, because millions of $$$ were spend to drive coup on Ukraine. So, they decided to destroy NS2 no matter what. And that eastern Ukraine people are held as hostages in this situation. Western Ukraine, driven by USA and western countries is going to commit genocide there to purge all russian-speaking people. But once Russia will make even a little step to help them to prevent this genocide - it would be called "Russia invades Ukraine" and that would be formal justification to apply even more sanctions, including, most likely, destroying NS2. And they clearly understand, that Russia won't allow such genocide, i.e. that even more sanctions are inevitable. Do you understand, that eastern Ukraine leaders come to Russia to ask for help purely VOLUNTARILY? That THEY want it? That this region has majority of population being russian-speaking?
Do you remember Star Wars, Ep 1? Why separatism was allowed there and it's not allowed for eastern Ukraine? Is it double standards?
Last edited by WowIsDead64; 2022-02-22 at 04:30 AM.
FOMO, gating, RNG, grind, overtuning, competition - endgame.
Solo MMO: no more humiliating queues and toxic competing.
Aggro and combat: game would only be better without obsoleted mechanics.
DF in a nutshell: GW2 copy-paste with AFK events and nothing to do.
There was no genocide. There was not going to be any genocide. You do realise that the current Ukranian president is a Russian speaker himself, right?
Do you understand, that eastern Ukraine countries don't want to be part of Ukraine and it's their voluntary choice, that they're going to fight for this choice till death and that western Ukraine is going to use lethal weapons, provided by western countries, to get eastern Ukraine back violently, i.e. via KILLING IT'S OWN CITIZENS? And as ALL citizens are against it, western Ukraine would need to kill ALL eastern Ukraine people to get eastern territories back? What is it, if it's not genocide?
Do you understand, that USA tries to destabilize situation in world again? But back in old times it was far from Europe. It was Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria. But do you understand, that this time it's f***ing Europe???
Last edited by WowIsDead64; 2022-02-22 at 04:44 AM.
FOMO, gating, RNG, grind, overtuning, competition - endgame.
Solo MMO: no more humiliating queues and toxic competing.
Aggro and combat: game would only be better without obsoleted mechanics.
DF in a nutshell: GW2 copy-paste with AFK events and nothing to do.
So good of you to admit that what the Serbs did in the breakup of Yugoslavia and what Russia did in places like Chechnya was genocide.