Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Templar 331]

Huh, this bullshit was forced by YOUR media. That was histerical estimation of western warmongers, who believed we'd be all like YOU: carpet bomb everything from safe distance and say we won, not even counting the dead.
We're liberating OUR people, who are either kept hostages or brainwashed by years of YOUR media job.
This people will live there and not in our interest to destroy more than necessary here.
I bet your logic still can explain this the other way right?

What is it with Russians and not knowing where their borders end? The country your army is invading is called Ukraine, not Russia. That's why it's called an invasion, you don't belong there. They aren't your people. It's not even the people you guys are after, it's the land. If it was the people you guys wanted to protect the only thing you'd be doing is letting them into your country, not invading theirs.

And it isn't the media that has made us all think this.

[BreathTaker]

This hilarious one-and-done poster.


And hey, the one of those that likes to hide at least showed up again recently. Though maybe should have stayed hidden instead of posting.

Thanks for your advice, I can decide what to do by myself. Not like you, because if you do or say what's not allowed - you're cancelled. Modern culture, you know. I feel for you. No worries Russia will show the world the cancel culture is cancer for any society, and you'll get cured of it on your own someday.

[Shadowferal]

Lol...he funny! Lets keep him.

Let me guess he's either a "Wagner Groupie" or the Russian Imperial Movement.

[Lenonis]

They aren't your people.

It's mind boggling that the person ranting about western propaganda thinks that Ukrainians are really Russians and need saving for some reason.

But that's not Russian propaganda. No sir. That's just facts.

Oy.

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No worries Russia will show the world the cancel culture is cancer for any society, and you'll get cured of it on your own someday.

cute take. Tell me again what happens to people in Russia who display gay pride stuff? Or how about people who protest against Putin. How does it go for them?

[UnifiedDivide]

Thanks for your advice, I can decide what to do by myself. Not like you, because if you do or say what's not allowed - you're cancelled. Modern culture, you know. I feel for you. No worries Russia will show the world the cancel culture is cancer for any society, and you'll get cured of it on your own someday.

Nah, I'm good. "Cancel culture," such as it is, doesn't scare me. Consequences however... those probably won't be great for Russia, given that they're invading a sovereign nation. I don't need saving, thanks. Neither do Ukrainians, so kindly stay within your own borders.

[BreathTaker]

We check all sources (but russan one is full of bullshit and waste of time to even read).
Problem is that most news media is kinda bad at reporting and people who report from a front are so far best source of information.

This channel is great (tho a bit biased for ukraine duh):
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPz...RDpw_vLSPMHMgQ

This one is a mess and kinda hard to find good stuff and reportiers like to push people:
https://www.youtube.com/c/TimesRadio1

If you like battlemaps and know wtf is going one, here is one guy (but he is the anoying american personality with wow usa strong):
https://www.youtube.com/c/SpeakTheTruth1

This channel is ok, but not up to date to latest info:
https://www.youtube.com/c/JakeBroe

The most realistic youtuber so far and check all information and checks how war works from inside:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCC3...TyQ7bbjGntmx3Q

Mostly clips:
https://www.youtube.com/c/rferlonline

Then there are news site sources, but i am to lazy to link all the best ones and some are behind paywalls so yeah.
Some of them are realy bad at reporting situations already or have outdated info:

Nice to see someone trying, with links.
I also know how to use youtube and google, thank you.
I hope I did not miss a point you wanted to tell me.
As I understood you just wanted to share some sources, which is nice of you.

But I'll tell you what I think.
- If you don't see Russian media showing obvious nazis on UA side (because you don't see Russian sources) - you miss the whole point of the 8 years of conflict.
You don't have to listen russian media - just look at the videos, may even mute them. These are nazis. Maybe you don't care?
- Everything goes on as it should be. We're moving "slowly" (breaking someone's expectations) because we liberate people who we will live next to when this ends. We don't want them dead and their houses broken. The west wants UA nazis to destroy as much as they can so we have to rebuild more. So be it. We're nation of creators, belive it or not. We'll benefit from boost to our construction companies in the long run. But we need to save the people, not nuke them from safe distance.
- I discovered that if you don't watch the events daily, switch to like once a week mode - it becomes even more clear (using the very same maps ofc) that we're clearly moving forward.
And when the highly fortificated areas (for at least 4 years straight) we're now clearing are done (~1 month max) - we'll steamroll as deep in UA territory as we see politically necessary.
It's still a very complex moment - we, Russians, just like the rest of the world, don't know nor Putin's plans, nor behind-the-scenes diplomacy happening now.
And of course we don't know what's US puppets will be forced to do by their master on the nearest NATO summit.

[Makabreska]

I'm 100% sure the NATO angle was just an excuse. Just like the Ukrainian Nazis were. Do they even talk about those anymore? Putin already went to comparing himself to Peter The Great, someone who will bring the lands back that rightfully belong to Russia. That's what this is about, and nothing else.

Not sure about NATO being an excuse, given how anti-west and Cold War fixated Putler and his crew are (Crimea was taken right after pro-west people took power in Ukraine, after all). And of course they stopped talking about it. It's hard to talk about "push NATO away" with an outcome like "oh shit, the border doubled".

[zealo]

What is it with Russians and not knowing where their borders end? The country your army is invading is called Ukraine, not Russia. That's why it's called an invasion, you don't belong there. They aren't your people. It's not even the people you guys are after, it's the land. If it was the people you guys wanted to protect the only thing you'd be doing is letting them into your country, not invading theirs.

And it isn't the media that has made us all think this.

Russians believe Ukrainians are "Little Russians" with no legitimate claim to having their own nationality. This isn't about NATO or Nazis, but bringing a people they do not perceive as having a distinct cultural identity from themselves back under their boot.

[Shadowferal]

"You’re occupants, you’re fascists! What the f*ck are you doing on our land with all these guns? Take these seeds and put them in your pockets so at least sunflowers will grow when you all lie down here,”

That's not going away.

[Templar 331]

But I'll tell you what I think.
- If you don't see Russian media showing obvious nazis on UA side (because you don't see Russian sources) - you miss the whole point of the 8 years of conflict.
You don't have to listen russian media - just look at the videos, may even mute them. These are nazis. Maybe you don't care?

1. How do you know they are Nazis?
2. How do you know that these people who you think are Nazis aren't the people you are trying to "liberate?"
3. Even if they were either one, what right does that give you to invade Ukraine?
4. What is Russia's plan for these "Nazis?" So far, Russia has done nothing to stop them. The only thing Russia has been doing is targeting civilians and looting.

- Everything goes on as it should be. We're moving "slowly" (breaking someone's expectations) because we liberate people who we will live next to when this ends. We don't want them dead and their houses broken. The west wants UA nazis to destroy as much as they can so we have to rebuild more. So be it. We're nation of creators, belive it or not. We'll benefit from boost to our construction companies in the long run. But we need to save the people, not nuke them from safe distance.

Some pretty big claims. Mind backing it up? So far the west has been giving crap loads of weapons to fight Russian invaders. Why would we do this if our goal is to destroy as much of Ukraine as possible?

- I discovered that if you don't watch the events daily, switch to like once a week mode - it becomes even more clear (using the very same maps ofc) that we're clearly moving forward.
And when the highly fortificated areas (for at least 4 years straight) we're now clearing are done (~1 month max) - we'll steamroll as deep in UA territory as we see politically necessary.
It's still a very complex moment - we, Russians, just like the rest of the world, don't know nor Putin's plans, nor behind-the-scenes diplomacy happening now.
And of course we don't know what's US puppets will be forced to do by their master on the nearest NATO summit.

There was this guy named Trump, you heard of him? He tried to get Ukraine to blackmail his political opponent. Ukraine refused. So Trump withheld aid to Ukraine in it's fight against Russia. What happened? Trump was impeached. Does this sound like Ukraine is a "puppet" to you?

The only puppets here are the ones who take turns spewing horse shit on these forums. When one gets banned the next one pops up like clockwork.

[Corvus]

Russia just took 100 boxcars of ammunition out of Belarus. That is known about so far. That is a rather large amount. Also means if they are hitting up Belarus for ammo it means that Belarus isn't going to have any to fight with and Russia has been burning through so much ammo they are starting to have shortages. Given Ukraine has been taking out quite a few large ammo dumps recently, they are probably needing it.

[Gorsameth]

Russia just took 100 boxcars of ammunition out of Belarus. That is known about so far. That is a rather large amount. Also means if they are hitting up Belarus for ammo it means that Belarus isn't going to have any to fight with and Russia has been burning through so much ammo they are starting to have shortages. Given Ukraine has been taking out quite a few large ammo dumps recently, they are probably needing it.

well Belarus has been rather vocal about not wanting to use their bullets themselves so I don't think they will really miss them much, unless Putin fears another country in Russia's shadow might want to leave. In which case maybe Belarus can ask NATO for some guns to fight off their own Russian invasion?

But yes, its telling if Russia has to source their own bullets from across the border. Like with so many things, they are running out.
Time is on Ukraines side.

[Azadina]

Look at me lie. I lie a lot

That's exactly what western propaganda is. Our soldiers are saving our people whom they will live next to ever after.

Those neighbors lived peacefully behind your border, and your RuZlamist terrorists decided to attack in order to mass rape, torture and murder those people, as well as steal their land and resources. Pretty sickening. What the fuck kind of saving is that?

You don't want to rape your new neighbor the first day you meet him I believe? Otherwise how will you feel sleeping at night?

Obviously I wouldn't. I'm not a member of RuZlamic Federation.

Besides they're on duty.

So in RuZlamic Federation the duty of "soldier" aka, terrorist is to rape, torture and murder unarmed civilians, as well as steal anything they get their hands of from those victims?

The image of our modern troops is almost at all time's high (right after the red army of 1945s).

Yeah, that tracks with the rest. Since the red army of that time was a massive horde of rapists that raped and pillaged their way across europe. Obviously your smaller terrorist band of today isn't capable of matching that, and "only" comes second to them.

It comes second in another way also. The image of tens of thousands of them having been mowed to dogturds. Now that's the image of RuZZian troops I like. Obviously, again, comes second to the red army having been mowed down by the millions. You know, I'd have no objection if you were to beat the red army record on this front.

That's what western armies do all the time, not ours.

It's kind of boring when you're lying so badly that even you know it's complete horseshit.

Meanwhile Soviet union was caring about our image of liberators

By forcing the false image, and forcing people to accept it or suffer the gulags, execution, or inprisonment.

[Vulturia]

It's quite clear at this point there is no need for any "off ramp" or "not make putin look weak" because anything can be spun as anything. Didn't take Kyiv in a few days like everyone expected? Rofl, WE didn't expect it (nvm the evidence), YOU did. Said we wouldn't invade and did anyway? Lmao, not an invasion, and in any case it wasn't exactly putin using the exact wording I want.
Russia's just a bully trying to grab land. The most honest response they ever had was "we are gonna win and do our best to rewrite history". Might makes right. Everything else is just for people who would deny reality itself if it made them right and others wrong.
Nothing will work except inflicting as many casualties as possible. Maybe even with some good results in the end.

[Kaleredar]

Russia's just a bully trying to grab land. The most honest response they ever had was "we are gonna win and do our best to rewrite history". Might makes right.

If that was their goal Russia apparently forgot the "winning" and "might" parts of those equations.

[tikcol]

You don't have to listen russian media - just look at the videos, may even mute them. These are nazis. Maybe you don't care?

Funny how all those separatist Republics full of your Russian brothers that were being oppressed by the Nazis appeared right above huge deposits of natural gas that were about to be explored which Ukraine could have used to supply Europe instead of relying on taxing Russian exports towards it.

[Saradain]

You know you hit a rusbot nerve when they reply with meaningless walls of text

When one points out a genocide, they reply with the usual "West boogieman" novels and their counter-argument is the usual "NATO bad for defending people from Russian genocide" drivel. Just a shame we seem to end up with more "3-week permaban"-type of shitposters...

Disturbing too that so many ruSSians actually believe they're the good guys and everyone else is bad, to a point they "need" to rape, murder and pillage Ukraine to "save" people that aren't russians, but they still think it is their people they are "saving"...

Everything from "the West" is propaganda but RuSSia with proved genocide cannot possibly be the reason they get bombarded with sanctions and hatred. No no, it's those fucking jewish Nazis, death camp survivor Nazis EVERYWHERE OUT THERE, I SWEAR IT MAN...

3rd world country alright with that level of mental degradation and lack of mental healthcare.

[Jastall]

Funny how all those separatist Republics full of your Russian brothers that were being oppressed by the Nazis appeared right above huge deposits of natural gas that were about to be explored which Ukraine could have used to supply Europe instead of relying on taxing Russian exports towards it.

Same story with Crimea. Funny that they "liberated" the one place with a major port on the Black Sea and potentially giving access to coastal gas/oil fields.

[Liftbrul]

You know you hit a rusbot nerve when they reply with meaningless walls of text

When one points out a genocide, they reply with the usual "West boogieman" novels and their counter-argument is the usual "NATO bad for defending people from Russian genocide" drivel. Just a shame we seem to end up with more "3-week permaban"-type of shitposters...

Disturbing too that so many ruSSians actually believe they're the good guys and everyone else is bad, to a point they "need" to rape, murder and pillage Ukraine to "save" people that aren't russians, but they still think it is their people they are "saving"...

Everything from "the West" is propaganda but RuSSia with proved genocide cannot possibly be the reason they get bombarded with sanctions and hatred. No no, it's those fucking jewish Nazis, death camp survivor Nazis EVERYWHERE OUT THERE, I SWEAR IT MAN...

3rd world country alright with that level of mental degradation and lack of mental healthcare.

Russians are masters of deflection, whataboutism and inversion of reality. If the former two don't work, simply accuse the west of the very crimes you're currently committing. Russia's collective ego is so paper thin it can't handle being challenged and the shill playbook they all overwhelmingly abide by is more or less tailor made copium for this purpose.

It's a country of insecure and gutless cowards.

[Saradain]

Russians are masters of deflection, whataboutism and inversion of reality. If the former two don't work, simply accuse the west of the very crimes you're currently committing. Russia's collective ego is so paper thin it can't handle being challenged and the shill playbook they all overwhelmingly abide by is more or less tailor made copium for this purpose.

It's a country of insecure and gutless cowards.

In an ideal situation it'd be best to just ignore and report the disinformation campaigners but seeing this forum doesn't really mind that, need to constantly disprove and rebuke this shit while those who spread propaganda amongst the more easily impressed people (that also may or may not post in this very thread) get off the hook very easily with no permanent course of action to limit their drivel being done.

I'll repeat myself but thank fucking goodness nothing the ruSSians post here actually affects the genocidal war, RuSSia is getting their ass handed to them even if their overwhelming numbers (of poor quality) has the big advantage with their terror tactics, since they are the classic sandbox bully and their only thing they can do "well" is the fact that it doesn't take skill to play a real life videogame to round up pacified civilians and then execute them in a hail of bullets akin to usual GTA playthrough.

Wait few years and whatever happens in the war, be it very negative outcome for the RuSSians, they will be here to pick the tiniest positive thing that happened over the course of the war and present it as the grand victory of their objective that became ever-smaller after each failure, from capturing Kyiv to advancing 50 meters through civilian population who could not defend itself.

...Or alternatively, after ukrainian independence would be stolen, civilian population "relocated", kids kidnapped and indoctrinated, all traces of Ukraine ever existing wiped from their history books...All grain stolen and while the world would suffer from famine and Ukraine itself going through another Holodomor...The shills would still come here to praise their actions...

...and it would still be allowed to be posted here