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Thread: Russian invasion of Ukraine
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2022-07-05, 07:37 AM #21441Old God
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2022-07-05, 07:45 AM #21442Titan
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It's never Russia's fault, is it? Whether it's poisoning people, cheating at sport or committing genocide there is always someone else to blame. Originally Posted by Ulmita
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2022-07-05, 07:56 AM #21443Epic!
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I know. Originally Posted by Lahis
Though I like our way of saying ryssä a lot more. The English word for it doesn't capture the contempt as well.
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2022-07-05, 07:56 AM #21444Titan
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You know no one believes you, right? That's because we know what happened in the past and we don't ignore reality. Russia absolutely started this war, if they want to avoid it they can stop, pull out all of their troops, return the land that was annexed, rebuild Ukraine, and execute Putin. Originally Posted by Ulmita
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2022-07-05, 08:26 AM #21445Legendary!
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I think you've misunderstood. Ofc this war is despicable and ofc Russia should withdraw troops and give back the land it has captured.
I am just pointing out, that this war we knew it would happen many many many years ago, and not only we didn't do anything to stop it, but rather we kinda helped it to take place.
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2022-07-05, 10:19 AM #21446Epic!
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Indeed. We should have kicked russia to the curb way way sooner. Originally Posted by Ulmita
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2022-07-05, 10:31 AM #21447Epic!
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Your article is talking about the 90s. Originally Posted by Ulmita
That is from the article. Now, if you referring to legal assurances is about NATO promising not to expand (in 2021?)...It is no argument to begin with - NATO still remains a defensive alliance where members independently wish to join the organization to shield them from Russia's aggression.Were these promises ever written down in a treaty?
No, largely because Bush felt Baker and Kohl had gone too far, or in Baker’s words he had “got a little forward on his skis”.
The final agreement signed by Russia and the west in September 1990 applied only to Germany. It allowed foreign-stationed Nato troops to cross the old cold war line marked by East Germany at the discretion of the German government. The agreement was contained in a signed addendum. Nato’s commitment to protect, enshrined in article 5, had for the first time moved east into former Russian-held territory.
As we could see already back in the Crimean invasion, it is clearly needed. No amount of NATO/West blaming can hide the facts here - Russia started this all, they will always solely be responsible.
Oh and also, any agreement with Russia is worthless because Russia NEVER keeps their word. Blaming boogieman West or Ukraine is utterly pointless.Last edited by Saradain; 2022-07-05 at 10:34 AM.
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2022-07-05, 10:36 AM #21448Over 9000!
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"Your 'defensive alliance' is a slap in the face to our offensive country!" Originally Posted by Saradain
...or something...
"The difference between stupidity
and genius is that genius has its limits."
--Alexandre Dumas-fils
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2022-07-05, 10:41 AM #21449Epic!
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It really DOES suck in strategy games like Stellaris or Civilization series when I want that small rich piece of land but they have big friends with defensive pacts. Only difference is, when I hit doomsday weapon buttons, no actual people die... Originally Posted by PhaelixWW
It tells a lot when I, a random poster here on WoW-based forum, am equally capable leader as Vladimir "Putler" Putin.
I can almost feel Vlad's pain as a gamer who wants all the loot and riches but in real life it's not just that simple, can always start a new game if all the sanctions ruin your economy and send your shithole dictatorship to stone age. But alas, real life doesn't work like that...Last edited by Saradain; 2022-07-05 at 10:47 AM.
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2022-07-05, 11:09 AM #21450Legendary!
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Please allow me to complete the "...or something..." part: Originally Posted by PhaelixWW
Our 'defensive alliance' was bombing Yugoslavia for 77 days, w/t any UNSC or UN approval or what so ever
Our 'defensive alliance' is compromised by countries that have bombed the sh*t out of middle east, Asia and Africa
Our 'defensive alliance' when asked by Russia to sign a paper that guarantees that in the Mark-41 VLS in Romania, no Tomahawks (which are nuclear capapble) will ever be installed, never agreed to.
So yeah...
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2022-07-05, 11:13 AM #21451Brewmaster
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Nice whataboutisms Russian shill. Originally Posted by Ulmita
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2022-07-05, 11:20 AM #21452Legendary!
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Not sure how to answer when someone lays down historical facts so I type whataboutism, russia, shill and life is good. Originally Posted by Marcellus1986
cool
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2022-07-05, 11:21 AM #21453Titan
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Our defensive alliance has sat back whilst you... sorry Russia... has poisoned people with radioactive material and nerve agents. We also sat back whilst you annexed part of a sovereign nation. Helped shootdown an airliner. Carried genocide in Syria and now Ukraine. Originally Posted by Ulmita
So yeah...
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2022-07-05, 11:38 AM #21454Epic!
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Why should anyone make concessions to russia, when the only question we should ask ourselves, when russia gets uppity and flexes their shrivelled military penis outside their borders, is that are we going to bomb Moscow too, or just their expeditionary forces? Originally Posted by Ulmita
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2022-07-05, 11:42 AM #21455Brewmaster
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You bringing up Kosovo, Libya or whatever else you are regurgitating is irrelevant to the thread and is just whataboutisms to deflect blame away from Russia, like you always do. Trying to make yourself appear neutral in every thread when anyone who has interacted with you over any period of time knows you throw out as much propaganda as Shalcker. Originally Posted by Ulmita
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2022-07-05, 11:43 AM #21456Banned
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"But they lynch blacks!" Originally Posted by Ulmita
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2022-07-05, 01:18 PM #21457Moderator
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As it has been stated in numerous mod warnings, including one edited into the opening post, the topic of this thread is the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Must be surprising for a thread titled Russian invasion of Ukraine. Crazy, huh?
Whataboutism is still an effort to derail the thread. Cease and desist.
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2022-07-05, 01:30 PM #21458Old God
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I'd say that countering people who try to claim the moral high ground is not whataboutism. Personally I'd rather have pragmatism. Originally Posted by Flarelaine
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2022-07-05, 02:00 PM #21459Brewmaster
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Nothing Ulmita or any of these other Russian posters post is pragmatic at all. Most people who regularly posted in the old threads know how they operate. Originally Posted by Nymrohd
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2022-07-05, 03:35 PM #21460Herald of the Titans
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russia's emptying the bases around Finland
So it seems Finland is so much not a threat that russia can just leave the border defense with less men...
Early on we had already heard that several units had gone to fight in Ukraine but now it appears that also the last base is sending troops.Last edited by Iphie; 2022-07-05 at 08:04 PM. Reason: Double post
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