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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopymonster View Post
    I think I can safely say they won't be able to summon Angron to come help them no matter how much flows.
    Just a bit of time, his model's been shown already, just as bland as everything Khorne is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    From my understanding: the areas are voluntold, and the actual people going are actual volunteers if you're from a poor minority or a poor area then going to die in a war might be attractive if the secondary benefits, family taken care of, being a veteran etc. are outweighing the risks.
    ...and yet wasn't Russia also "discharging" soldiers that had died so that they wouldn't have to pay their families any benefits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Sunk cost fallacy in action - a Russian general saying they can't afford to leave Ukraine like a beaten dog no matter how hard it is to stay and fight.

    https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/sta...ELqN8Awu78pwMg
    As I noted earlier, that sounds like a notion that's really, really going to end up biting them in the ass come winter.

    The problem with bombing out a city and destroying its infrastructure to then occupy it as a new front means that... you're just inhabiting a destroyed city with no infrastructure. And Russia is having problems adequately supplying its troops now.

    The thing that saved Russia from Napoleon and Hitler might be the thing that ends up really putting the nail in the coffin for them. I suppose it'd be somewhat fitting for yet another in a line of European wannabe-dictators being hoisted by Eastern European winters.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    ...and yet wasn't Russia also "discharging" soldiers that had died so that they wouldn't have to pay their families any benefits?



    As I noted earlier, that sounds like a notion that's really, really going to end up biting them in the ass come winter.

    The problem with bombing out a city and destroying its infrastructure to then occupy it as a new front means that... you're just inhabiting a destroyed city with no infrastructure. And Russia is having problems adequately supplying its troops now.

    The thing that saved Russia from Napoleon and Hitler might be the thing that ends up really putting the nail in the coffin for them. I suppose it'd be somewhat fitting for yet another in a line of European wannabe-dictators being hoisted by Eastern European winters.
    Might not even be winter. Autumn the rains come and most of Ukraine is basically swampland because of it. Meaning the same issues that got their heavy equipment stuck in March/April will be the same reason come september.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    Might not even be winter. Autumn the rains come and most of Ukraine is basically swampland because of it. Meaning the same issues that got their heavy equipment stuck in March/April will be the same reason come september.
    And this time around the Ukrainians will have heavy weapons to obliterate things like that 40 km column. I mean imagine if Ukraine had the HIMARS and Pzhb2000 during that time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    Might not even be winter. Autumn the rains come and most of Ukraine is basically swampland because of it. Meaning the same issues that got their heavy equipment stuck in March/April will be the same reason come september.
    Sure, but having equipment bogged down just means the Russians will find it hard to advance.

    Having freezing temperatures, snowfall, and a bitter lack of supplies means the Russians will find it hard to... well, not die.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraines-...192544920.html
    Ukraine's president fires spy chief and top state prosecutor
    KYIV (Reuters) -President Volodymyr Zelenskiy on Sunday abruptly fired the head of Ukraine's powerful domestic security agency, the SBU, and the state prosecutor general, citing dozens of cases of collaboration with Russia by officials in their agencies.

    The sackings of SBU chief Ivan Bakanov, a childhood friend of Zelenskiy, and Prosecutor General Iryna Venediktova, who has played a key role in the prosecution of Russian war crimes, were announced in executive orders on the president's website.

    The firings are easily the biggest political sackings since Russia invaded on Feb. 24, forcing the entire Ukrainian state machine to focus on the war effort.

    In a Telegram post, Zelenskiy said he had fired the top officials because it had come to light that many members of their agencies had collaborated with Russia, a problem he said had touched other agencies as well.

    He said 651 cases of alleged treason and collaboration had been opened against prosecutorial and law enforcement officials, and that more than 60 officials from Bakanov and Venediktova's agencies were now working against Ukraine in Russian-occupied territories.

    The sheer number of treason cases lays bare the huge challenge of Russian infiltration faced by Ukraine as it battles Moscow in what it says is a fight for survival.

    "Such an array of crimes against the foundations of the national security of the state ... pose very serious questions to the relevant leaders," Zelenskiy said.

    "Each of these questions will receive a proper answer," he said.

    Russian troops have captured swathes of Ukraine's south and east during an invasion that has killed thousands, displaced millions and destroyed cities.

    It remains unclear how the southern, Russian-occupied region of Kherson fell so quickly, in contrast to the fierce resistance around Kyiv that forced Russia eventually to withdrew to focus on capturing the industrial Donbas heartland in the east.

    In his nightly speech to the nation, Zelenskiy noted the recent arrest on suspicion of treason of the SBU's former head overseeing the region of Crimea, the peninsula annexed by Russia in 2014 that Kyiv and the West still view as Ukrainian land.

    Zelenskiy said he had fired the top security official at the start of the invasion, a decision he said had now been shown to be justified.

    "Sufficient evidence has been collected to report this person on suspicion of treason. All his criminal activities are documented," he said.

    Bakanov was appointed to head the SBU in 2019, one of an array of new faces who rose to prominence after Zelenskiy, a former comedian, won election earlier that year.

    Zelenskiy appointed Oleksiy Symonenko as the new prosecutor general in a separate executive order that was also published on the president's site.

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    Its a good thing yup isn't around to comment on Medvedev's latest deranged rantings - an attack on Crimea will ignite 'Judgement day' response. This is, what, the 57th threat of this nature now?

    Opinion seems to be this is a sign Russia is worried about if they can hold onto Crimea more than anything.

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    The Russkis managed to shoot down one of their own $36 mil su-34 bombers. Must have mistaken it for a civilian airliner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Its a good thing yup isn't around to comment on Medvedev's latest deranged rantings - an attack on Crimea will ignite 'Judgement day' response. This is, what, the 57th threat of this nature now?

    Opinion seems to be this is a sign Russia is worried about if they can hold onto Crimea more than anything.
    Crimea doesn't belong to Russia. Ukraine has every right to use force to take it back even if Russia threatens with Nukes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zEmini View Post
    Crimea doesn't belong to Russia. Ukraine has every right to use force to take it back even if Russia threatens with Nukes.
    Oh for fucks sake, you just summoned...wait a minute.
    *checks profile*
    Guess pushing the magic triangle worked.
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    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok


    If you look, you can see the straw man walking a red herring up a slippery slope coming to join this conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zEmini View Post
    Crimea doesn't belong to Russia. Ukraine has every right to use force to take it back even if Russia threatens with Nukes.
    Even without nukes going after Crimea is a nightmare. Even before 2014 the place really didn't like Kyiv, add 8 years of Russian propaganda it's a demographic bomb. The best thing to do would be to just cut it off. The last thing Ukraine needs is an area that is just going to be too pro-Russia to control. Make Russia give it back in any negotiations that have to come out of the end of the war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    Even without nukes going after Crimea is a nightmare. Even before 2014 the place really didn't like Kyiv, add 8 years of Russian propaganda it's a demographic bomb. The best thing to do would be to just cut it off. The last thing Ukraine needs is an area that is just going to be too pro-Russia to control. Make Russia give it back in any negotiations that have to come out of the end of the war.
    That's more or less my stance too. Just because Ukraine has the right doesn't mean that it is a good idea. I think Zelensky has also said something to that effect.

    russia is very funny when it comes to things it perceives as its own territory, that is things it annexed and occupies. Attacking Crimea would probably get a very undesirable response, while Ukraine liberating Kherson or the Donbass probably wouldn't have the same response as it isn't annexed, so it's not yet really russian in their mind.

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    So russan soldiers are complaning that ammo depotes are geting destroyed. Looks like its not just propaganda and saying that rockets work from Ukraine side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    That's more or less my stance too. Just because Ukraine has the right doesn't mean that it is a good idea. I think Zelensky has also said something to that effect.

    russia is very funny when it comes to things it perceives as its own territory, that is things it annexed and occupies. Attacking Crimea would probably get a very undesirable response, while Ukraine liberating Kherson or the Donbass probably wouldn't have the same response as it isn't annexed, so it's not yet really russian in their mind.
    Population that refuses to work with you, can get kicked out of country by a victor. So if area gets taken over, the russan immigrants will run into the russa.
    I kinda hope Ukraine pulls that forced relocation or people who support russa there will cause damage and terrorist attacks after its taken over.
    Don't sweat the details!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yunru View Post
    Population that refuses to work with you, can get kicked out of country by a victor. So if area gets taken over, the russan immigrants will run into the russa.
    I kinda hope Ukraine pulls that forced relocation or people who support russa there will cause damage and terrorist attacks after its taken over.
    Not to put TOO fine a point on it but forced relocation of 'undesirables' isn't the look you want to go for, no matter how justified you think you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yunru View Post


    So russan soldiers are complaning that ammo depotes are geting destroyed. Looks like its not just propaganda and saying that rockets work from Ukraine side.

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    Population that refuses to work with you, can get kicked out of country by a victor. So if area gets taken over, the russan immigrants will run into the russa.
    I kinda hope Ukraine pulls that forced relocation or people who support russa there will cause damage and terrorist attacks after its taken over.
    Isn't that we call genocide ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Isn't that we call genocide ?
    That's definitely an ethnic cleanse at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Isn't that we call genocide ?
    Pretty much, yes. Which is why that definitely is NOT the way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    That's definitely an ethnic cleanse at least.
    It depends on what population was before in area. However to be a ethnic cleansing, they would have to remove all russan speaking people and replace them with Ukraine citizens. However, kicking people out that came here 8 years ago when the 1.st (lets call it invasion) happened is totaly fair. However you should give them a option to either join or leave forever.
    Its not like situation with China wich pretty much genocides the other populations and sends them to workcamps.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Crimea

    So people who supported russa should get kicked out (finances, political support, being in war against the country) 1.st and then do referendum again and this time legal, before trying for any other actions.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_C...tus_referendum
    Don't sweat the details!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    Even without nukes going after Crimea is a nightmare. Even before 2014 the place really didn't like Kyiv, add 8 years of Russian propaganda it's a demographic bomb. The best thing to do would be to just cut it off. The last thing Ukraine needs is an area that is just going to be too pro-Russia to control. Make Russia give it back in any negotiations that have to come out of the end of the war.
    I dont disagree, but I think all Russian Sanctions should continue until they give that land back.

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    Not sure if Reuters is signalling here but hey!

    https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-...ar-2022-07-18/

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    Good news comrade! Got unwanted or useless son? Send him to Ukraine and you can afford new car! (Conditions apply: son must be confirmed dead, not missing. Car may or may not be new. Airbags and brakes not installed.)

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