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    ukraine eu candidate status
    finland and sweden heading into nato
    russian gdp contracting 8-10%

    lets gooooooo

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    Tick tock, the war is coming to a close, Putin will be dead ever so soon and those left in charge afterwards are going to break and crumble like the pathetic weaklings they are. Ruasian will fall and and become even a smaller and weaker version of itself like the dolls they are famous for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unholyground View Post
    Tick tock, the war is coming to a close, Putin will be dead ever so soon and those left in charge afterwards are going to break and crumble like the pathetic weaklings they are. Ruasian will fall and and become even a smaller and weaker version of itself like the dolls they are famous for.
    I prefer to think it's just progressively smaller and smaller Putin's, all the way down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unholyground View Post
    Tick tock, the war is coming to a close, Putin will be dead ever so soon and those left in charge afterwards are going to break and crumble like the pathetic weaklings they are. Ruasian will fall and and become even a smaller and weaker version of itself like the dolls they are famous for.
    Russia is fucked, but I'm not so sure Putin's demise would change much. Looking at how seemingly popular this war is in Russia, I consider this being Russian's war, rather than Putin's.
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    Money laundering, especially prior to his election? I couldn't give a flying fuck.

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    Ukraine and Moldova both now have EU candidancy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I prefer to think it's just progressively smaller and smaller Putin's, all the way down.
    Russian Putins? Wait-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    Russia is fucked, but I'm not so sure Putin's demise would change much. Looking at how seemingly popular this war is in Russia, I consider this being Russian's war, rather than Putin's.
    I'm not sure the polls are accurate, but the war is WAY too popular that's for sure. I do think putin's fall will change some things, they need to establish who is in charge for example, so that means that their ability to fight a war is diminished, then whoever wins will have to decide on continuation or not.

    But as long as putin isn't gone this is all moot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    Russia is fucked, but I'm not so sure Putin's demise would change much. Looking at how seemingly popular this war is in Russia, I consider this being Russian's war, rather than Putin's.
    I say all the following knowing that I could indeed be off the mark here. Other people have proffered their ideas about what drives the Russian "zeitgeist" if you will, ranging from "seeing themselves as vassals of the Russian empire, giving of their lives freely to the czar" to "expansionist war-mongering huns through and through," and I don't... get that impression.

    I get the impression that the Russian people are generally... well, apathetic and resigned towards things that don't personally involve them. They've faced decades and several generations of what is essentially institutionalized repression from a corrupt government that prides itself on being able to strong-arm the public and has the infrastructure to do that with a tight control on narrative and the ability to use force against whoever and whomever they wish, all dressed up under a slimy veneer of pretense and justification from their government that either shifts blame or ducks responsibility, meaning that nobody is really ever held accountable for any problems, such that 1) complaining about the problem probably wont result in anything from anybody with the power to do anything about it, 2) nobody is ever going to hear about your complaint, and 3) you face potential danger for speaking out in the first place. They've effectively been taught to keep their heads low, tow the line, and just kind of try to carry on with your business. And the war in Ukraine is no exception.

    This war doesn't personally involve much of the Russian public, and while they may be experiencing economic hardship and increasing shortages and scarcity as the world passes them by with no real end or potential for that to get better in sight... what does speaking out get them? At best ignored, potentially, thrown in jail, and perhaps even worse? So they keep their heads low, stick their thumbs in their pockets, say what the government wants them to say, and continue on with whatever the new "norm" is in a complacent manner, because they know their lives and the lives of their love ones can swiftly be made much worse. "Better a dead Ukrainian, than a dead me," perhaps.

    To wit, if Putin died tomorrow, and/or Russia pulled its troops out, I don't get the notion that the majority of Russia would be particularly saddened over the prospect. They have no personal long-term stake in the future of Russia's global hegemony or lack thereof, they just care about getting through the week.


    And of course this is all generalizing. I had a professor who had emigrated from Russia and absolutely hated Putin. There were protests in Russia against the war when it broke out. And of course groups like Pussy Riot exist that are long-term thorns in the side of the Russian establishment, constantly voicing their discontent with the government (and often being incarcerated under trumped up charges for it.) On the other side of that coin I'm sure there are staunch Russian adherents who are terrified of the NATO boogieman and who genuinely believe the Ukrainians need to be raped and executed. There are some that pop up in this very thread periodically and get sent on forum vacations.

    But like I said, my overall impression is not that they're hungering warmongers, or see themselves as servants of the government, or even that they're some great, disgruntled mass yearning to be free. I see complacency arising from a state of fear, brought forth by decades of repression. Their opinions, officially, are whatever the government tells them, and privately aren't really important because they know better than to voice them in earnest.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    I am?? Hahaha
    Expressing non-popular believes!=Russian
    You have admitted to this, several times on this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    You have admitted to this, several times on this forum.
    He’s not only Russian, but apparently Canadian, Italian, French and Polish as well depending on what his two brain cells rub together before he posts. It’s his shtick to make up his nationalities to appear neutral when his posts show that he is anything but.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    I am?? Hahaha
    Expressing non-popular believes!=Russian
    Remember this gem 4 years after they annexed Crimea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    Russia's military is undoubtedly capable of limited offshore operations. Its no where near as capable as the US for such actions.
    However Gref, Russia's intentions are to build an army capable of defending their country and not invading. Their military doctrine clearly define that and guess what, they have succeeded on that aspect. There is no single nation on our planet capable of invading and occupying even a Russian town. Not even US.

    And for the trillionth time: Sofisticated WMDs ensure the absolute security of a country in the most cost effective way. This is what Putin's speech was all about
    "Hey US, you may be spending 700bln on your military per year, but we can ensure that not even microbs will leave in your continent if you try to attack us and there is nothing you can do about it"

    -->Spend less on a more effective military and more on the development of the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Remember this gem 4 years after they annexed Crimea?
    I mean, I guess he was ultimately right… Russia didn’t build an army capable of invading!
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    I mean, I guess he was ultimately right… Russia didn’t build an army capable of invading!
    Except for that whole annexation of Crimea thing, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    I'm not sure the polls are accurate, but the war is WAY too popular that's for sure. I do think putin's fall will change some things, they need to establish who is in charge for example, so that means that their ability to fight a war is diminished, then whoever wins will have to decide on continuation or not.

    But as long as putin isn't gone this is all moot.
    Russia polls are shitty. Those who oppose Putin generally refuse to answer as a means to not get themselves killed or missing somewhere in Siberia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    Russia polls are shitty. Those who oppose Putin generally refuse to answer as a means to not get themselves killed or missing somewhere in Siberia.
    They either skip the poll or toe the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    That can't be good for the underpants of those soldiers, I mean seeing your own missile turn around and come back? Nasty!

    Edit: I can't believe it took me an hour to come up with: "That gives a whole new meaning to the phrase:'Return fire'."
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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    You have admitted to this, several times on this forum.
    My impression was that he's Greek, somehow living in Canda sometimes and Italy, yet completely ignorant to internatiol politics.

    Basically a Yuppie that's slightly older and luckily dropped the constant "tHey' haS nuKeZ!!111" bullshit.

    4 months in, and Donbass still is not completely occupied, last I read was that Ukraine still controls some 50% of Donetsk.

    The Russia military is an absolute joke and I have no doubt that the EU would be superior even without the UK and the US, considering the far better equipment and training compared to the Ukranians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    I hate when that happens to me while playing worms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    My impression was that he's Greek, somehow living in Canda sometimes and Italy, yet completely ignorant to internatiol politics.

    Basically a Yuppie that's slightly older and luckily dropped the constant "tHey' haS nuKeZ!!111" bullshit.

    4 months in, and Donbass still is not completely occupied, last I read was that Ukraine still controls some 50% of Donetsk.

    The Russia military is an absolute joke and I have no doubt that the EU would be superior even without the UK and the US, considering the far better equipment and training compared to the Ukranians.
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