Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Iphie]

Can someone translate this a bit better than Google?

https://ria.ru/20220721/putin-1803989988.html

According to the Finnish newspaper I read it says putin has some health issues and peskov is downplaying it.

I'm just curious what's said. The Finnish news says flu-like symptoms, coughing and loss of voice.

[Corvus]

Sounds like covid, if true.

And Lavrov is now saying regime change is Russia's goal after all.

[Iphie]

Sounds like covid, if true.

if true that might not end well.

And Lavrov is now saying regime change is Russia's goal after all.

Surprise Pikachu face, although Lavrov has said some things lately that were not entirely inline with the partyline.

I don't think they are capable of achieving that anymore though.

[Kaleredar]

if true that might not end well.

I'm sure Putin has access to enough highfalutin medicine to keep him sputtering on. If a fat orange pumpkin man like Trump can survive Covid, I'm sure Putin can slog through it as well.

[Iphie]

I'm sure Putin has access to enough highfalutin medicine to keep him sputtering on. If a fat orange pumpkin man like Trump can survive Covid, I'm sure Putin can slog through it as well.

While true, Orange man was "only" severely out of shape, if putin has other things going on, as is rumoured, it might be bad, add to that the rumour that he doesn't exactly trust his physicians and it has the potential of catastrophic failure.

Look I'm not pinning any hopes on it but the fact that they even acknowledge this does make me wonder.

[Corvus]

Trump was unvaccinated as well I believe. Putin probably is, but I'd say he likely has had a western vaccine rather than the Russian made one he forced on his people.

[Ripster42]

Trump was unvaccinated as well I believe. Putin probably is, but I'd say he likely has had a western vaccine rather than the Russian made one he forced on his people.

Trump was vaccinated.

[Kallisto]

if true that might not end well.



Surprise Pikachu face, although Lavrov has said some things lately that were not entirely inline with the partyline.

I don't think they are capable of achieving that anymore though.

Lavrov has a history of wanting out. Basically since the mid 2010s, yet like with the person in charge of Russia's central bank Putin has kept denying the request. It could be he's going over the top to get someone to fire him.

[Iphie]

Trump was unvaccinated as well I believe. Putin probably is, but I'd say he likely has had a western vaccine rather than the Russian made one he forced on his people.

You think so? I kinda doubt it, I mean the guy is so paranoid I don't think he'd take anything he didn't control the whole process from a to z of. (In this case the whole process from manufacturing to administering the vaccine)

Lavrov has a history of wanting out. Basically since the mid 2010s, yet like with the person in charge of Russia's central bank Putin has kept denying the request. It could be he's going over the top to get someone to fire him.

The thing with Lavrov is that, as far as I could find out, he was a fairly respected and competent diplomat previously, a bit old school soviet, but competent nevertheless. Lately he does seem to try to get out as you say, and his trustworthiness seems to have gone MIA.

[Kaleredar]

Lavrov has a history of wanting out. Basically since the mid 2010s, yet like with the person in charge of Russia's central bank Putin has kept denying the request. It could be he's going over the top to get someone to fire him.

If that's the case he'd best watch his behind to make sure that "fired" doesn't turn into "forced into early retirement out of a sixth story window"

[Breccia]

Russia calls for a tribunal for captured Ukrainians for crimes against humanity.

"Basically, when we tried to murder them and their children without reason, they fought back harder than we hoped," Russia explained, "and that's a crime. We're calling for such fine, upstanding countries as Iran and Syria to stand in judgement. No really, click the link, that's who we're calling."

[Iphie]

Russia calls for a tribunal for captured Ukrainians for crimes against humanity.

"Basically, when we tried to murder them and their children without reason, they fought back harder than we hoped," Russia explained, "and that's a crime. We're calling for such fine, upstanding countries as Iran and Syria to stand in judgement. No really, click the link, that's who we're calling."

Yeah..."independent " nations because the west is against us...the audacity.

[Specialka]

Trump was unvaccinated as well I believe. Putin probably is, but I'd say he likely has had a western vaccine rather than the Russian made one he forced on his people.

Yes, Putin was vaccinated but not by the Russian one. I think it was Pfizer but I could be wrong. It was definitively a western one though.

[Kallisto]

The thing with Lavrov is that, as far as I could find out, he was a fairly respected and competent diplomat previously, a bit old school soviet, but competent nevertheless. Lately he does seem to try to get out as you say, and his trustworthiness seems to have gone MIA.

Also from what Western intelligences can gather he's also not actually within the inner circle of policy makers. Putin trusts him enough to be a mouth piece but if the reports from these agencies are true basically Putin didn't tell Lavrov he decided to attack Ukraine until about an hour before Putin's speech indicating his "Special military operation." getting underway was broadcasted.

This isn't me defending the guy, he made his bed. He's likely now just like the iraqi guy who was given a script about how the west was failing while M1 Abrams were in the background in Baghdad.

[zealo]

Trump was unvaccinated as well I believe. Putin probably is, but I'd say he likely has had a western vaccine rather than the Russian made one he forced on his people.

Trump were vaccinated, he just didn't make that as public as he ought to have because his political base is full of anti-vaxxers and other lunatics.

[Flarelaine]

Joking and sarcasm aside, I did recently ran across an article claiming that the russians were using maps from the 60's. I'm not saying they should be excused but if your maps show military facilities that haven't existed for decades then maybe update first before you start shooting?

Maps of that era simply did not show military and security infrastructure. So much so that I have a map of Budapest from 1966 and an entire section of a street is missing where a secret police building used to be at the time.

[Iphie]

Maps of that era simply did not show military and security infrastructure. So much so that I have a map of Budapest from 1966 and an entire section of a street is missing where a secret police building used to be at the time.

I'm sure you're right, but you understand my point, the maps are out of date and these are military maps, those *could* have the military facilities on them. I mean if you think you're firing at an army base that's not there anymore but in fact is now a kindergarten then the mistake is still yours but you can debate if it was deliberate targeting of civilians. (I tentatively say yes, because you should double check the target)

[The Stormbringer]

Did anyone else hear about Russians stockpiling ammo right next to a nuclear reactor in Ukraine? I'm trying to find more articles on that. Any help would be appreciated.

[Flarelaine]

I'm sure you're right, but you understand my point, the maps are out of date and these are military maps, those *could* have the military facilities on them. I mean if you think you're firing at an army base that's not there anymore but in fact is now a kindergarten then the mistake is still yours but you can debate if it was deliberate targeting of civilians. (I tentatively say yes, because you should double check the target)

I'd still expect due diligence from whoever is assigning targets.

[Iphie]

Did anyone else hear about Russians stockpiling ammo right next to a nuclear reactor in Ukraine? I'm trying to find more articles on that. Any help would be appreciated.

https://www.barrons.com/news/russia-...403609?tesla=y

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ammu...-plant-1726725

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/...r-plant-a78371

https://english.nv.ua/nation/russia-...-50258028.html

Apparently there has already been an 'incident' resulting in panicked russian soldiers and dead ones.