Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Verdugo]

He is wanting us to say "Start WW3 and force everyone to fight." because he's desperate for WW3 so he can go die in some sort of "meaningful" death.

If I met such sick bastard in the army, I would shoot him in the back at the first oportunity. No way I could trust someone like that on my side.

[Kaleredar]

I welcome him to join the United States marine Corps, or I'll gladly pay for his one-way trip to Donbas.

the last thing the US military needs is more insane ultra-right wing warmongers being given guns.

It's safer for everyone if he just stays in his ramshackle cabin off in the woods like some doomsday nutter, his only interaction with the outside world being his insane rantings on a WoW forum between bans.

[Azadina]

I welcome him to join the United States marine Corps, or I'll gladly pay for his one-way trip to Donbas.

I'll pitch in to get him a meal on the plane, and to be able to buy mosin nagant upon arrival. Can't let him fight empty handed afterall.

[Saradain]

I'll pitch in to get him a meal on the plane, and to be able to buy mosin nagant upon arrival. Can't let him fight empty handed afterall.

If people with that kind of special traits would have guns and ammo, would probably shoot you or their fellow allies and blame the russians to instigate further violence...

Also:

https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/s...93117712162828

Azov militants deserve execution, but death not by firing squad but by hanging, because they’re not real soldiers. They deserve a humiliating death.

A married couple from #Mariupol tell how they were shelled by UA forces from #Azovstal.
#StopNaziUkraine

Twitter itself did declare this tweet to be hate speech, but kept it visible for...public interests. Let's hope they realize that some people will actually believe this shit and keeping it visible is just fueling the fire.

[YUPPIE]

He is wanting us to say "Start WW3 and force everyone to fight." because he's desperate for WW3 so he can go die in some sort of "meaningful" death.

no. it's more like no one knows what a solution to this crisis is anymore, not even myself. So if there are any creative ideas, feel free to share them.

A) Diplomacy: has been entirely rejected by Russia. All attempts. They will not stop their genocidal conquest no matter what.

B) Violence: Meh, people have divided opinions on this. Mostly bad.

So, what can be done, really? NATO is clearly gearing up for the probability of option two, though.

[Machismo]

the last thing the US military needs is more insane ultra-right wing warmongers being given guns.

It's safer for everyone if he just stays in his ramshackle cabin off in the woods like some doomsday nutter, his only interaction with the outside world being his insane rantings on a WoW forum between bans.

You and I both know those people never have the testicular fortitude to actually accomplish anything in life. The dude isn't even an American, and is a proven liar.

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I'll pitch in to get him a meal on the plane, and to be able to buy mosin nagant upon arrival. Can't let him fight empty handed afterall.

Heck, I'll even pay for a fresh change of clothes, and some cammies.

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no. it's more like no one knows what a solution to this crisis is anymore, not even myself. So if there are any creative ideas, feel free to share them.

A) Diplomacy: has been entirely rejected by Russia. All attempts. They will not stop their genocidal conquest no matter what.

B) Violence: Meh, people have divided opinions on this. Mostly bad.

So, what can be done, really? NATO is clearly gearing up for the probability of option two, though.

So, when are you going to sign up to fight?

I've offered to pay for a one-way trip to Ukraine, so you can stand up. Time's a wastin'.

[enigma77]

NATO should just go in and kill them all. 5 Months ago.

Call the nuclear bluff.

[Iphie]

NATO should just go in and kill them all. 5 Months ago.

Call the nuclear bluff.

Yeah...no. If you want to see the world burn that's fine, I'd rather not. Calling nuclear bluff with someone who doesn't care is generally not a great idea,.

[YUPPIE]

Yeah...no. If you want to see the world burn that's fine, I'd rather not. Calling nuclear bluff with someone who doesn't care is generally not a great idea,.

as people have and keep pointed/pointing out though (and I'm not adding to the suggestion the other guy made), if NATO or the West just kowtows to the nuclear blackmail, Putin will feel emboldened to keep conquering and killing as he pleases.

It's his biggest card. So regardless of doing nothing or going the violent route, he wins regardless. As you said, he doesn't give a shit, so if he dies in MAD, he'll feel it's a victory if his enemies go down with him.

[Belize]

NATO should just go in and kill them all. 5 Months ago.

Call the nuclear bluff.

Why would they? They have Ukraine willingly throwing their own troops at Russia, and all NATO has to do is arm them.

[Kallisto]

as people have and keep pointed/pointing out though (and I'm not adding to the suggestion the other guy made), if NATO or the West just kowtows to the nuclear blackmail, Putin will feel emboldened to keep conquering and killing as he pleases.

It's his biggest card. So regardless of doing nothing or going the violent route, he wins regardless. As you said, he doesn't give a shit, so if he dies in MAD, he'll feel it's a victory if his enemies go down with him.

You do realise there's a period in history that shows why going in to fight a nuclear power directly is a very bad idea. It starts around 1948 and ends around 1991.

[YUPPIE]

You do realise there's a period in history that shows why going in to fight a nuclear power directly is a very bad idea. It starts around 1948 and ends around 1991.

I AM NOT suggesting violence. I am just saying because there's no diplomatic or violent solution to stopping Russia, Putin will win. He can't be stopped when there are no options to play.

That's all.

[Gabriel]

Just because YUPPIE has an unhealthy obsession with nukes, doesn't make him wrong about what is necessary to end the war in Ukraine.

The West needs to put on the Big Boy Pants and realize that the relative peace and prosperity we have had for the past century is an anomaly, and if we want to extend it, we need to do more than Thoughts and Prayers.

[XDurionX]

no. it's more like no one knows what a solution to this crisis is anymore, not even myself. So if there are any creative ideas, feel free to share them.

A) Diplomacy: has been entirely rejected by Russia. All attempts. They will not stop their genocidal conquest no matter what.

B) Violence: Meh, people have divided opinions on this. Mostly bad.

So, what can be done, really? NATO is clearly gearing up for the probability of option two, though.

There. Won't. Ever. Be. Any. Military. Involvement. Of. Nato. Over. Ukraine.

You won't get the world war you desire so much.

[Kallisto]

Just because YUPPIE has an unhealthy obsession with nukes, doesn't make him wrong about what is necessary to end the war in Ukraine.

The West needs to put on the Big Boy Pants and realize that the relative peace and prosperity we have had for the past century is an anomaly, and if we want to extend it, we need to do more than Thoughts and Prayers.

Then go sign up as a volunteer. Rational, civilized people realise that we don't let emotions deictate foreign policy and the only acceptable chance of a nuclear conflict is 0.00000000000000000%.

[Gabriel]

Then go sign up as a volunteer. Rational, civilized people realise that we don't let emotions deictate foreign policy and the only acceptable chance of a nuclear conflict is 0.00000000000000000%.

And this is exactly why Russia does what it does, and will do so in the future. Because it knows it can.

[Kallisto]

And this is exactly why Russia does what it does, and will do so in the future. Because it knows it can.

And your solution ends humanity. The fate of nearly 8 billion people is far more important than the fate of 40millionish people.

[Gabriel]

And your solution ends humanity. The fate of nearly 8 billion people is far more important than the fate of 40millionish people.

What fucking solution? Blowing away ruskies from Ukraine with something like coordinated Western coalition air forces wouldn't lead to nuclear war. Revoking all visas for russian nationals in EU and the US wouldn't lead to nuclear war. Closing oil and gas pipelines from russia wouldn't lead to nuclear war.

[Makabreska]

And your solution ends humanity. The fate of nearly 8 billion people is far more important than the fate of 40millionish people.

And again, approach like this is why Russia has still any pull in todays world. "Aw damn, better not help too much countries Russia attacks, they have n00kz". But guess what? Their threats are empty and desperate. Finland/Sweden will join NATO, and what is Russia going to do? Nothing. Embargos come in left and right, choking ruskies, and what are they going to do? Nothing.

[YUPPIE]

But guess what? Their threats are empty and desperate.

wouldn't say that if we hypothetically push them into an absolute corner through sanctions and potentially repelling them out of Ukraine completely. Because at that point, what would they have left to lose?