Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Mikah]

on a meaningful note: doesn't this whole Ukraine affair illustrate that the US is also a paper tiger? Besides the strength boasting, it claims its intel and secret service capabilities are top of the world. But up until this war, it assumed Russia was a strong army. That's evidently not good intel.

Quite the contrary I'd say.

Whatever happens to Ukraine, it is not all that important to the US. What is important is that they are able to directly weaken their enemy, crush their economy, rally the world against them and test their new weapon systems against a real military power. Even if Russia manages to eventually conquer all of Ukraine, it will take several years, and will cost them most of their equipments. They will never recover from that.

Russia thought they would flex their muscles and scare everyone with a big rapid win in Ukraine, so that all the other ex-USSR countries would follow. They failed miserably, and have no way out where they can look good now. I don't know if that is what the US intel was predicting, but the outcome is amazingly in the favor of the US right now.

Anytime you can give weapons to someone else so that they can shoot your enemies without any consequences, it is a sure win. They give a bunch of $150K Javelin to Ukraine, which they then use to destroy tanks worth $15M each, and no one is shooting back at the US.

That will be their cheapest war in history!!

I don't know if they tought it was going to happen that way, but if they did, it was brilliant. And if not, they won anyways.

[YUPPIE]

Putin foreshadowing his use of nukes? This is a pretty ominous statement.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said Monday there could be no winners in a nuclear war and no such war should ever be started.

Putin made the comment in a letter to participants of a conference on the nuclear nonproliferation treaty (NPT), more than five months into his war on Ukraine.

“We proceed from the fact that there can be no winners in a nuclear war and it should never be unleashed, and we stand for equal and indivisible security for all members of the world community,” he said.

International concern about the risk of a nuclear confrontation has heightened since Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24. In a speech at the time, Putin pointedly referred to Russia’s nuclear arsenal and warned outside powers against any attempt to interfere.

“Whoever tries to hinder us ... should know that Russia’s response will be immediate. And it will lead you to such consequences that you have never encountered in your history,” he said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/p...shed-rcna40964

"And it will lead you to such consequences that you have never encountered in your history,” he said."

[Voidism]

That article is just part of the OODA-loop he's trying to infect everyone with.
"Will he or won't he!?!?!?!?" is what he wants you to keep thinking. Obsessing over. Making so that you can't take any decisions.

That's how he has ruled Russia for the past 20 years. Keep people in an OODA-loop so they become passive and believe there's no right or wrong, truth or falsehood anymore.

[Draco-Onis]

Quite the contrary I'd say.

Whatever happens to Ukraine, it is not all that important to the US.

That is false Russia has invaded several of their neighbors to no response, Ukraine possesses a lot of natural resources we can exploit. At the end of this war we will pretty much own the country using debt diplomacy.

[Voidism]

That is false Russia has invaded several of their neighbors to no response, Ukraine possesses a lot of natural resources we can exploit. At the end of this war we will pretty much own the country using debt diplomacy.

Unless they go the Lenin route and say "this new Russia is not responsible" for what the old Russia did.

[Gorsameth]

That is false Russia has invaded several of their neighbors to no response, Ukraine possesses a lot of natural resources we can exploit. At the end of this war we will pretty much own the country using debt diplomacy.

I think Ukraine being a direct neighbour to the EU is a bigger factor then their natural resources.
(which is not to say that their resources are not a consideration)

[Nymrohd]

That is false Russia has invaded several of their neighbors to no response, Ukraine possesses a lot of natural resources we can exploit. At the end of this war we will pretty much own the country using debt diplomacy.

I think it's also "a lot of white people dying on TV" that makes a difference.

[Ripster42]

I think Ukraine being a direct neighbour to the EU is a bigger factor then their natural resources.
(which is not to say that their resources are not a consideration)

If resources were that big of a consideration we'd have intervened after crimea. That poster just looks at everything through the lens of "America Bad!"

[Draco-Onis]

I think Ukraine being a direct neighbour to the EU is a bigger factor then their natural resources.
(which is not to say that their resources are not a consideration)

That plays into it as well.

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If resources were that big of a consideration we'd have intervened after crimea. That poster just looks at everything through the lens of "America Bad!"

Who says it's America bad? government acts in whatever drives their interest and I rather see the world for what it is then some made up fairy land where we are the good guys here. The natural resources of Crimea and the separate regions are not the main prize in this war, bread basket diplomacy is also a thing China is currently using their considerable stock pile as leverage.

If Putin had done a small incursion instead of going for the whole pie we probably would have reacted the same as before.

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I think it's also "a lot of white people dying on TV" that makes a difference.

Well the press hasn't been subtle when it comes to pointing out that difference.

[Voidism]

I think it's also "a lot of white people dying on TV" that makes a difference.

I think it's more of a "take care of your neighbors" thing - something many states around the world, whining about how bad the West is, fails at. Take care of your neighbors! Meanwhile many flee to the West... go figure.

[Forogil]

If Putin had done a small incursion instead of going for the whole pie we probably would have reacted the same as before.

Possibly. I would hope we would have been wiser then as well, but we didn't learn much from Georgia and Crimea.

It's also interesting to compare this war with General Shirreff's (fmr DSACEUR - so it does indicate NATO and UK thinking) "War With Russia"; where a piece of Ukraine is just swallowed without problem, and even the Baltic States are conquered but with the insurgency that people thought we would see in Ukraine.

I also wonder if the President have read it - including the end.

[Corvus]

The US Senate has voted 95-1 to add Sweden and Finland to NATO. Sole no vote was Josh Hawley, while Rand Paul voted present.

[Edge-]

The US Senate has voted 95-1 to add Sweden and Finland to NATO. Sole no vote was Josh Hawley, while Rand Paul voted present.

Has Josh Hawley ever found a hill he's not willing to die alone on?

Though massive fucking laughs about Rand Paul voting present like the spineless sack of shit he's always been.

[Poopymonster]

Has Josh Hawley ever found a hill he's not willing to die alone on?

Though massive fucking laughs about Rand Paul voting present like the spineless sack of shit he's always been.

Jan 6th during the insurrection.

[Shadowferal]

Has Josh Hawley ever found a hill he's not willing to die alone on?

Jan 6th during the insurrection.

Yeah...Capital Hill..heh that's good.

[Iphie]

The US Senate has voted 95-1 to add Sweden and Finland to NATO. Sole no vote was Josh Hawley, while Rand Paul voted present.

7 countries have yet to start, Czech Republic, Greece, Hungary, Portugal, Slovakia, Spain and Turkey. All the others have voted and deposited or are awaiting royal or presidential approval (a few only need to still deposit.). Let's hurry up, yeah?

[Lahis]

7 countries have yet to start, Czech Republic, Greece, Hungary, Portugal, Slovakia, Spain and Turkey. All the others have voted and deposited or are awaiting royal or presidential approval (a few only need to still deposit.). Let's hurry up, yeah?

Turkey and possibly Hungary are in no hurry.

[Iphie]

Turkey and possibly Hungary are in no hurry.

Yeah, I know.

In other news, I remember learning about this practice in elementary/first year of secondary ('88-'89) really back to the Sovjet Union eh?

[Saradain]

There were mentions of this report...elsewhere on MMO-C recently.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/ne...ger-civilians/

While that can be true, let's not forget Russia as well uses nuclear reactors as shields from counter-fire. And to me, Ukraine is defending its existence from a genocidal opponent, using similar tactics to gain all advantage against the orcish attacker. If Russia can use such shit to genocide Ukraine easier, I don't see why Ukraine shouldn't - aren't places like schools supposed to be evacuated during this war given Russia has proved they care not who they kill?

But am sure some may use this as a weapon against Ukraine. To be honest calling Ukraine violating the laws of war is just plain trolling by Amnesty at this point, fighting for survival against an enemy that is willing to wipe out every sign of life from a nation hardly gives one time to follow the rules by the book...And we're not talking about systemical murder of POWs and other Russian normal things, we're talking about ukrainian troops using whatever terrain they can, to ensure they can launch offensives to re-capture occupied areas.

[Gorsameth]

"dear soldier, please stop hiding your location in urban area's and instead build a camp in the woods that is visible to our satellites so we can more easily bomb you. Please and thank you".