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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    I'm thinking that sending North Korean troops is China's way of appeasing Russia. That North Korean troops are likely going to bite it is a good 2 for 1 deal. Russia gets what they want and NK gets spanked.
    So they want to allow the US, via it supporting Ukraine with arms and logistics, to effectively corrode the military and financial strength of two foreign adversarial powers without risking a single American life to do it at the same time.

    That's a bold strategy, Cotton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    So they want to allow the US, via it supporting Ukraine with arms and logistics, to effectively corrode the military and financial strength of two foreign adversarial powers without risking a single American life to do it at the same time.

    That's a bold strategy, Cotton.
    100000 troops aren't exactly a lot for NK, so it's hardly corroding the ability of NK. It would show how much of a paper tiger NK is and that would make Kim look weak. Whichever way you look at this someone is going to look weak at home and will open themselves up for domestic trouble. Which is likely why Lukashenka/o is doing his level best to stay out of it as much as he can.

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    I wonder how many of those hundred thousand North Korean troops will take the opportunity to defect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    I wonder how many of those hundred thousand North Korean troops will take the opportunity to defect.
    North Korea practises generational punishments where if someone defects, their family and relatives they still have their hands on gets punished, too.

    It's fucked up, but if they do that arrangement with Russia the ones sent are likely chosen accordingly to how much leverage they have over them through their family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    I wonder how many of those hundred thousand North Korean troops will take the opportunity to defect.
    All of them lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    I'm thinking that sending North Korean troops is China's way of appeasing Russia.
    I hardly think China needs to appease Russia. If anything, it's the other way around. And while China has North Korea on a fairly short leash, I don't think they exert enough influence to conscript a hundred thousand North Korean soldiers on Russia's behalf to send halfway across the world fight in some other despot's war. The logistics of it alone is far beyond what North Korea or Russia can do, and if China suddenly helps ferry all that meat to the front line, it wouldn't go unnoticed by anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liftbrul View Post
    I hardly think China needs to appease Russia. If anything, it's the other way around. And while China has North Korea on a fairly short leash, I don't think they exert enough influence to conscript a hundred thousand North Korean soldiers on Russia's behalf to send halfway across the world fight in some other despot's war. The logistics of it alone is far beyond what North Korea or Russia can do, and if China suddenly helps ferry all that meat to the front line, it wouldn't go unnoticed by anyone.
    Yeah, I'm questioning the logistics behind that as well. NK definitely has no means of ferrying those soldiers by ships, and it seems supremely unlikely either China or Russia will give such a huge contingent a ride considering even these two are short in troop transport ships. So that means trains? Not even sure how feasible that is and it sounds like an enterprise that will take a good month at best, probably more, and Russia is short enough on supplies as it is to not want to waste them on brainwashed NK conscripts that have literally 0 combat experience across the entire army and are probably led by buffoons more used to clapping at party rallies, embezzling funds and licking their superior's boots than prosecuting an actual war. Although I guess that last part seemingly also applied to the Russian army.

    Of course all this assumes 100k NK soldiers are actually intended to make it there eventually and it's not all just empty posturing and fodder for the Russian masses.
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    Russia had previously claimed 40000 Syrians were going to join the war and they never turned up. This may be the same.

    Russia does currently lease NK workers already. NK gets hard cash, Russia gets slave labour.

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    Yeah I don't think this has anything to do with China really. It would be Russia paying premium prices for 100k bodies of cannon fodder because as said those NK troops have no combat experience and no Russian experience.
    They are literally bodies being send to die in a meatgrinder.

    At least with the supposed Syrians Russia was buying experienced soldiers who have been in conflicts and used to fighting over cities.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Russan dies in this video:


    But holy shit, why would you use a truck for military use that has a wheel just under. Imposible to survive landmine.
    Don't sweat the details!!!

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    McConnell gets win on Trump in NATO vote

    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) clinched a victory on Wednesday when the Senate — including 48 of the chamber’s 50 Republicans — voted overwhelmingly to admit Finland and Sweden to NATO.

    The resolution, which cleared the chamber in a bipartisan 95-1 vote, was a top priority for the Republican leader, who wanted to send a signal about the direction of a GOP that had drifted toward isolationism under former President Trump.

    The GOP leader definitely won the battle, even if he lost Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.), the only member of either party in the Senate to vote “no.”

    Most strikingly, Sens. Mike Lee (R-Utah) and Rand Paul (R-Ky.) both shifted in their votes. The two were the only senators to vote against resolutions in 2017 and 2019 adding Montenegro and North Macedonia, respectively, to NATO.

    On Finland and Sweden, the two libertarian-leaning lawmakers took a different stance: Lee voted for the resolution, and Paul voted present.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    McConnell gets win on Trump in NATO vote

    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) clinched a victory on Wednesday when the Senate — including 48 of the chamber’s 50 Republicans — voted overwhelmingly to admit Finland and Sweden to NATO.

    The resolution, which cleared the chamber in a bipartisan 95-1 vote, was a top priority for the Republican leader, who wanted to send a signal about the direction of a GOP that had drifted toward isolationism under former President Trump.

    The GOP leader definitely won the battle, even if he lost Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.), the only member of either party in the Senate to vote “no.”

    Most strikingly, Sens. Mike Lee (R-Utah) and Rand Paul (R-Ky.) both shifted in their votes. The two were the only senators to vote against resolutions in 2017 and 2019 adding Montenegro and North Macedonia, respectively, to NATO.

    On Finland and Sweden, the two libertarian-leaning lawmakers took a different stance: Lee voted for the resolution, and Paul voted present.
    Well, sounds good that they are moving away from Trumpitis but... I hope America can heal from the division that plagues it. That includes "both sides" btw. There's a need for unity against China and Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voidism View Post
    Well, sounds good that they are moving away from Trumpitis but... I hope America can heal from the division that plagues it. That includes "both sides" btw. There's a need for unity against China and Russia.
    a vote over the least controversial thing ever is hardly indicative of anything. The GOP is still very much the part of Trump. Because their voters are Trump voters.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    a vote over the least controversial thing ever is hardly indicative of anything. The GOP is still very much the part of Trump. Because their voters are Trump voters.
    While your ultimate assessment is correct, I imagine that the GOP as a whole aren't keen on ceding any of their power to Russian influence, nor do I think the sort of red-scare mcarthyism have completely vanished from the party. Say what you will of such sentiments, but they're certainly anti-Russian. Of course I'm sure some of it is quite reactionary as well; American support for Ukraine is extremely high, and pushing a pro-Russia sentiment at this point would be a terrible move, politically.

    Additionally, consider that American popular culture has been vilifying Russia for almost a century at this point. A few paid-off Russian lackeys like Trump weren't going to change that in a few years. And the whole war in Ukraine and the display of Russia's utter incompetency has basically completely sank the whole myth of "Russia is strong, manly country" 4chan-type meme that Trump was trying to straddle the erstwhile popularity of to help try and play off Russia's fairly obvious support of him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    I have absolutely no idea what's going on here.
    https://twitter.com/CPIUSA/status/1556011835844956161

    It's apparently a very small crowd of losers in a rented, mostly empty hotel event room.

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    An interesting tweet popped up from the Ukrainian MoD to celebrate Air Force Day, showing an image of an F-16 in Ukrainian camo. They don't have them - yet. But it looks a solid hint they are coming. Or maybe something else is going on.

    It has been claimed Ukraine has been using AGM-88 HARM missiles against Russian SAM/Radar sites. These are air-launched missiles designed for Western planes, not Soviet era ones. They might have been jury-rigged to work on Ukrainian planes, or they might have been adapted to be ground launched. Or it might be Russian misinformation (but that one makes little sense.)

    And the Kherson bridge was hit. Again. The Russians had deployed barges with weird radar spoofing devices. Except HIMARs doesn't use radar so they were useless. And the Russians had moved heavy equipment to the bridge to make repairs, laying large concrete slabs over the holes. Anyway, after last nights strikes, something was left burning on the bridge. Most likely the repair equipment. Crazy that the Ruscists would even attempt it knowing that they were in HIMARS range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    An interesting tweet popped up from the Ukrainian MoD to celebrate Air Force Day, showing an image of an F-16 in Ukrainian camo. They don't have them - yet. But it looks a solid hint they are coming. Or maybe something else is going on.

    It has been claimed Ukraine has been using AGM-88 HARM missiles against Russian SAM/Radar sites. These are air-launched missiles designed for Western planes, not Soviet era ones. They might have been jury-rigged to work on Ukrainian planes, or they might have been adapted to be ground launched. Or it might be Russian misinformation (but that one makes little sense.)

    And the Kherson bridge was hit. Again. The Russians had deployed barges with weird radar spoofing devices. Except HIMARs doesn't use radar so they were useless. And the Russians had moved heavy equipment to the bridge to make repairs, laying large concrete slabs over the holes. Anyway, after last nights strikes, something was left burning on the bridge. Most likely the repair equipment. Crazy that the Ruscists would even attempt it knowing that they were in HIMARS range.
    It seems very clear to me that russia wants to hold on to Kherson, and is willing to risk a lot for that. Including, apparently, risking the Donbas campaign as they're pulling units from there to reinforce the Kherson region. I'm not sure if that's the best plan.

    The dam at Nova Kharkova can't be destroyed as that's a war crime if I'm correctly informed, however there is a small canal next to it to allow ships to pass it, there is a bridge there that could be destroyed, it is very close to the hydroelectric power plant though.

    As for the F-16, I read yesterday that training wouldn't begin before 2023 or, at the earliest, late 2022, as the funds wouldn't be made available before then and they still needed to decide which planes the Ukrainians would be trained on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    It seems very clear to me that russia wants to hold on to Kherson, and is willing to risk a lot for that. Including, apparently, risking the Donbas campaign as they're pulling units from there to reinforce the Kherson region. I'm not sure if that's the best plan.

    As for the F-16, I read yesterday that training wouldn't begin before 2023 or, at the earliest, late 2022, as the funds wouldn't be made available before then and they still needed to decide which planes the Ukrainians would be trained on.
    Are the Russians hoping they can rebuild the bridge more times than the Ukrainians can blow it up...?

    Because frankly it seems to me that the days of labor required to rebuild a bridge are quite offset by the half a second it takes an explosive to blow it to hell.
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