Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Combatbutler]

US intel did a stunning job on Russia and Ukraine. Anyone who stills bleats about the failures of 20 years past can go and fuck themselves.

Rule of thumb, do not trust any of the great powers without verification.

[Voidwielder]

Rule of thumb, do not trust any of the great powers without verification.

How does a member of the public verify top-secret intel assessments?

[Combatbutler]

How does a member of the public verify top-secret intel assessments?

They don't, that is the job of their respective government, in that regard outside sources have usually their own interest in mind. The US was right this time nice for them, doesn't make them immediately trustworthy.

This situation just embarrassed the intelligence agencies of most of europe.

[Poopymonster]

How does a member of the public verify top-secret intel assessments?

The intel is verified as correct when the enemy's stuff goes "Boom" in places they did not expect it to go "Boom".

[Voidwielder]

Ukraine should be supplied with ATACMS. They will be phased out and replaced by PSM. Since we know US to some degree yays or nays certain strikes, with the promise that they will be used only against critical infrastructure such as bridges, oil refineries, railways and depots, I see no reason for the delay.

[Iphie]

They might have a few Napoleonic war era cannons and muskets left lying around

My buddy made the same remark, I said to him that we might need to convince the Ukrainians in that case to cede 1 square metre of soil because of perseverance. (Properly mined of course)

(No I don't think Ukraine should cede any soil under any circumstance.)

[Corvus]

The flight from Crimea continues, with a record almost 39000 cars crossing the bridge in just 1 day.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Gerashche...viP5LcA-XJrMow

[Santti]

The flight from Crimea continues, with a record almost 39000 cars crossing the bridge in just 1 day.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Gerashche...viP5LcA-XJrMow

I've not been watching the news lately, but what with this? Is Ukraine actually possibly going to take Crimea back, or some general panic, or just the tourists going back to their country?

[Saradain]

I've not been watching the news lately, but what with this? Is Ukraine actually possibly going to take Crimea back, or some general panic, or just the tourists going back to their country?

I don't recall exact specifics, but there has been strikes to Crimea, out of range for what weaponry Ukraine has, to our knowledge. So Ukraine might possess weaponry capable of making strikes all the way to Crimea's military targets and that causing a shock effect against the occupiers...

Which is probably enough for the invaders to think that Ukraine is getting even more effective weaponry and given the already overwhelming power via HIMARS, anything that can outrange those and still cause massive damage is the breaking point for the enemy.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/08...ussia-news-war

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...a-beach-blast/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62560041

Looking at those, it seems to be implied that elite forces operating in Crimea are responsible. Which means even a better thing - boogiemen operating behind enemy lines to cause terror in occupying forces, capable of doing meaningful attacks to expel the russians. Wouldn't sleep nicely myself either if a special unit is after me and everyone else in the military forces in occupied land...

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To add further, this quote from one of the links...

Pavel Luzin, an independent Russian military analyst, said that Ukraine’s attacks were limiting Russia’s ability to “seize the initiative.”

“Crimea is the only way to support the grouping of troops in the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions,” he said. “Otherwise, this grouping of troops does not exist.”

Sounds like a good reason to set the bloodhounds on Crimean occupiers.

[Corvus]

I've not been watching the news lately, but what with this? Is Ukraine actually possibly going to take Crimea back, or some general panic, or just the tourists going back to their country?

Its a mix of tourists and colonists, but there is definitely panic going on. It started after the spectacular airport explosion last week and has continued as more and more stuff keeps blowing up in Crimea.

Ukraine says they aim to take Crimea back - we'll have to see if it is possible.

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Looks like its been a bad day for Russian propagandists. First one who ran the Wagner telegram channel gets taken out in the HQ strike the other day, then another one working for RT steps on a Russian butterfly mine and dies of wounds. And in classic Trumpian fashion, RT denies she was working for them and was merely a 'volunteer'. ie, its a bad look if they loose one of their own so they disavow knowledge of her.

[Edge-]

then another one working for RT steps on a Russian butterfly mine and dies of wounds. And in classic Trumpian fashion, RT denies she was working for them and was merely a 'volunteer'. ie, its a bad look if they loose one of their own so they disavow knowledge of her.

Jesus christ...I would not want to be an employee for Russian state-sponsored media. I mean there are a lot of other reasons why, but this in particular is a pretty good one. As I'm much more inclined to believe the opposite of whatever the Kremlin is saying, meaning she was likely an actual employee. Because we all know this 3-day special operation to denazify eastern Ukraine has been just that, a short operation to get rid of some Nazi's and nothing else.

[zealo]

I've not been watching the news lately, but what with this? Is Ukraine actually possibly going to take Crimea back, or some general panic, or just the tourists going back to their country?

A lot of the sentiment there is likely something along the lines of ”imagine what the Ukrainians will do to us, after what we’ve done to them”, and so russian civilian colonisers flee prematurely.

Ukraine actually taking the peninsula back is quite aways off still from the current military situation, but that it’s an actual war got real recently for them with explosions on military bases there.

[YUPPIE]

Isn’t Ukraine reclaiming Crimea one of the worst things that can happen from a provocative standpoint? It’s invasion and annexation is one of Putin’s most bragged about feats. If he loses it, he might panic.

[Azadina]

Isn’t Ukraine reclaiming Crimea one of the worst things that can happen from a provocative standpoint? It’s invasion and annexation is one of Putin’s most bragged about feats. If he loses it, he might panic.

And nukes fly all over the place again? Is that what you were attempting to say, but hit the enter too soon? I thought their use was already a certainty; at least some self proclaimed prophet told so multiple times.

[Rustedsaint]

New drinking game, take a shot every time yuppie makes a post about nukes?

[Kaleredar]

New drinking game, take a shot every time yuppie makes a post about nukes?

Hey now, telling people to kill themselves isn't looked too kindly upon.


He's a record single that's skipping to boot. Ignoring him is really the only way. His nonsense isn't even coherent enough to be worth debunking.

[zealo]

New drinking game, take a shot every time yuppie makes a post about nukes?

Alcohol poisoning isn’t a particularily fun time.

[Edge-]

Isn’t Ukraine reclaiming Crimea one of the worst things that can happen from a provocative standpoint? It’s invasion and annexation is one of Putin’s most bragged about feats. If he loses it, he might panic.

You're better off focusing on the lessons of Bert The Turtle than continuing to panic about nukes.

[Corvus]

You're better off focusing on the lessons of Bert The Turtle than continuing to panic about nukes.

I'm old enough to remember that kind of stuff being taught in school.

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Russians living in Germany staging a totally organic protest, not in any way organised, totally not with mass produced posters and most certainly not being directed and coached by a government chekists, protesting against US and UK weapons going to Ukraine that are killing and maiming Russian soldiers. Now here is a concept that seems very hard for Russians to comprehend - get the fuck out of Ukraine and the soldiers stop dying.

The latest ISW report has some interesting things to say about the problems Russia is having trying to find new troops. The submarine Veliky Novgorod, normally with a crew of 60, has 8 vacancies and is having such trouble finding new crew they have no prior special training or any previous military service. This sub is active in the Black Sea as part of the war. Untrained recruits going straight onboard a submarine seems a sure fire why to have another smoking accident. And another oblast wanted to raise a 160 man volunteer tank battalion - but managed only 30 recruits.

[Kaleredar]

Russians living in Germany staging a totally organic protest, not in any way organised, totally not with mass produced posters and most certainly not being directed and coached by a government chekists, protesting against US and UK weapons going to Ukraine that are killing and maiming Russian soldiers. Now here is a concept that seems very hard for Russians to comprehend - get the fuck out of Ukraine and the soldiers stop dying.

I'm going to guess that the majority of Germans are... not going to give a fuck about paid Russian crocodile tears.

I know Russia has been creating interior propaganda where they basically just lie and make shit up for internal consumption, but do they think other countries are buying their bullshit too? Nobody believed Russia from the jump.

Maybe they sent all of their online troll farmers off to the front lines so now they have no tangible online presence to appear to be "concerned patriots" (or the German equivalent) spreading misinformation on social media so they've had to resort back to hoping that holding signs on street corners will adequately spread their lies.