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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    Okay, this might be going a little bit conspiracy theory, but bear with me.

    So we believe that there has been corruption as every level of the Russian military. Budgets for upkeep not being spent on upkeep, but instead being sent off to buy yachts and houses. So a lot of the materials of war that are supposed to be available and ready to use, really aren't as a result. We also know that the upper echelons won't be happy if the result of that is them not getting the resources they are supposed to.

    So you're in charge of a base that is supposed to have a certain level of ammunition available. The top brass ask for that amount to be sent. You know you've only got half of that, tops, and what's there isn't in good condition. Do you a) pass what you have, and fess up to the rest being missing? or b) fake a Ukrainian attack that "destroys" the ammunition, so you can only pass half of what you were supposed to have?

    Pure speculation on my part. But Ukraine seems to be hitting a LOT of places that are on the limits of their range. Could it be cover-ups by people that have been fleecing money from the Russian military for years?
    It is very plausible that these are coverups for embezzling military money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    Okay, this might be going a little bit conspiracy theory, but bear with me.

    So we believe that there has been corruption as every level of the Russian military. Budgets for upkeep not being spent on upkeep, but instead being sent off to buy yachts and houses. So a lot of the materials of war that are supposed to be available and ready to use, really aren't as a result. We also know that the upper echelons won't be happy if the result of that is them not getting the resources they are supposed to.

    So you're in charge of a base that is supposed to have a certain level of ammunition available. The top brass ask for that amount to be sent. You know you've only got half of that, tops, and what's there isn't in good condition. Do you a) pass what you have, and fess up to the rest being missing? or b) fake a Ukrainian attack that "destroys" the ammunition, so you can only pass half of what you were supposed to have?

    Pure speculation on my part. But Ukraine seems to be hitting a LOT of places that are on the limits of their range. Could it be cover-ups by people that have been fleecing money from the Russian military for years?
    Not as far fetched as you'd expect, this has been floating about ever since those fuel depots got hit early on.

    Meanwhile, penal legions are a thing again:

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/09/europ...ntl/index.html

    But I don't know how to process this:

    They'll accept murderers, but not rapists, peadophiles, extremists or terrorists...
    russian standards??
    Last edited by Iphie; 2022-08-10 at 07:42 AM.

  3. #22403
    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    It wasn't us, says Ukraine. (Cue "It wasn't me" by Shaggy)

    Ok let's entertain that thought, if it wasn't the Ukrainians then who was it? Partisans as they suggest? Or, not impossible, it actually was russian incompetence, which they also suggest. Fact is an airbase got taken out and rather than capitalising on it the owner says 'my bad'!
    Them saying 'wasn't us' doesn't mean much imo.
    Didn't they also deny attacking the depots inside Russia some weeks ago, but it actually was them?

    I'd probably just file it under Ukraine not wanting to say anything to maintain operational security.
    Aka saying 'yes it was us, we have drone teams inside Russian territory's conducting attacks' directly puts those teams at greater risk as Russia hunts them harder.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    Them saying 'wasn't us' doesn't mean much imo.
    Didn't they also deny attacking the depots inside Russia some weeks ago, but it actually was them?

    I'd probably just file it under Ukraine not wanting to say anything to maintain operational security.
    Aka saying 'yes it was us, we have drone teams inside Russian territory's conducting attacks' directly puts those teams at greater risk as Russia hunts them harder.
    No I think that still hasn't been figured out. Especially since the drone was a commercially available drone from China iirc. The thing is though, as far as we know Ukraine doesn't have anything with that range, so them saying it wasn't us is not implausible. (It all depends on whether or not the US gave the 300 km rockets which, as far as we know, they didn't)

    And tbh I don't think small drones would wreak that much havoc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post

    Meanwhile, penal legions are a thing again:

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/09/europ...ntl/index.html

    But I don't know how to process this:



    russian standards??
    I already posted that.

    I had joked early on about how long it would take Putler to get desperate enough to draft convicts and the answer now is six months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    No I think that still hasn't been figured out. Especially since the drone was a commercially available drone from China iirc. The thing is though, as far as we know Ukraine doesn't have anything with that range, so them saying it wasn't us is not implausible. (It all depends on whether or not the US gave the 300 km rockets which, as far as we know, they didn't)

    And tbh I don't think small drones would wreak that much havoc.
    small drone sets off fuel or ammo stockpile. That go's boom and chain reactions from there.

    Doesn't seem that unreasonable to me.

    Its something that shouldn't happen with proper storage but hey, its Russia so proper storage probably didn't exist.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydin View Post
    I already posted that.

    I had joked early on about how long it would take Putler to get desperate enough to draft convicts and the answer now is six months.
    I'm more surprised by the standards...like wut?

  8. #22408
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Were there even a hint at that I think Russia would be leaning into that as hard as possible. They'll clearly make things up whenever it suits them, so I think even an iota of truth to "we're actively being attacked by NATO" would instantly become their new talking point.
    Not so sure about that. The only reason NATO is not fighting in Ukraine is that it isn't officially a war party. If ruSSia comes out and officially declares "we are attacked by NATO, now it's on fuckers" NATO can drop the restraint and reply "blyat, wait a minute we're on our way" and join the war. I don't think ruSSia actually wants that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    Okay, this might be going a little bit conspiracy theory, but bear with me.

    So we believe that there has been corruption as every level of the Russian military. Budgets for upkeep not being spent on upkeep, but instead being sent off to buy yachts and houses. So a lot of the materials of war that are supposed to be available and ready to use, really aren't as a result. We also know that the upper echelons won't be happy if the result of that is them not getting the resources they are supposed to.

    So you're in charge of a base that is supposed to have a certain level of ammunition available. The top brass ask for that amount to be sent. You know you've only got half of that, tops, and what's there isn't in good condition. Do you a) pass what you have, and fess up to the rest being missing? or b) fake a Ukrainian attack that "destroys" the ammunition, so you can only pass half of what you were supposed to have?

    Pure speculation on my part. But Ukraine seems to be hitting a LOT of places that are on the limits of their range. Could it be cover-ups by people that have been fleecing money from the Russian military for years?
    Pretty high chance. They know they are losing the war, so to avoid punishment for greed, they make up the accident and blame it on rockets.
    Heck some of those people probaly tiped off the ukraine army so they destroy it (at least those that are well hidden), not to mention that Ukraine wastes ammo on those emptry targets, saving lives in progress for russan army.
    Don't sweat the details!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    I'm more surprised by the standards...like wut?
    They're just keeping the rapists, etc. as a reserve to be recruited later when they run low on bodies again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    lol @ russia

    https://twitter.com/OSINTua/status/1...608897/photo/2

    get fucking banged cunts
    Does Russia even have air defenses? Because based on the results of the "3 day special operation" currently in its 6th month, it sure doesn't seem like any air defenses they have are very effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Does Russia even have air defenses? Because based on the results of the "3 day special operation" currently in its 6th month, it sure doesn't seem like any air defenses they have are very effective.
    probs fired all the air defense missiles at civilians.

    Imagine you are one of the dictatorships who spent money on Russian weapons lmfao. Garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    lol @ russia

    https://twitter.com/OSINTua/status/1...608897/photo/2

    get fucking banged cunts
    That is hilarious! Too bad that a few seem to still be intact, hopefully the blast waves were enough to make them unflyable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Does Russia even have air defenses? Because based on the results of the "3 day special operation" currently in its 6th month, it sure doesn't seem like any air defenses they have are very effective.
    Well...you see...the manufacturer of the S-400 is under investigation because it's not doing what it's supposed to: defend against HIMARS, as for the scientists working on hypersonic missiles? Funny you should ask...over the summer 3 of them have been arrested for treason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Well...you see...the manufacturer of the S-400 is under investigation because it's not doing what it's supposed to: defend against HIMARS, as for the scientists working on hypersonic missiles? Funny you should ask...over the summer 3 of them have been arrested for treason.
    Huh...so the anti-HIMARS system worked like a charm until it actually had to work and then...it didn't? Who could have ever predicted this based on the long history of corruption, fraud, and grifting in the Russian government.

    I'd totally forgotten about the hypersonic missiles we were all super terrified over for a hot-second. Wonder why they're arresting the folks working on it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post

    I'd totally forgotten about the hypersonic missiles we were all super terrified over for a hot-second. Wonder why they're arresting the folks working on it?
    Not just any folks, the people heading the research is who is being hit. If I was working there I'd seriously look into getting the heck outta dodge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    russian standards??
    The only Russian standard I know about:


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    Any updates about the nuclear power plant that the Russians were holding hostage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    Any updates about the nuclear power plant that the Russians were holding hostage?
    Apparently that was a fake, according to the russians and an American site that is not exactly on the side of the russians (the truth will be somewhere out there). Additionally the russians want the IAEA to come check as do the Ukrainians but, of course, nobody can reach an agreement on how, when and where.

    Regarding the claim by the russians, I should hope they aren't THAT stupid and this was indeed a fake, but I don't trust them one bit. ( Even if it would seem that the grain deal holds in so far that no ships have been attacked or seized.)

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