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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Next war crime has come to light. Russia reported more than 40 Ukrainian POWs are dead, claiming Ukraine attacked the camp they were in, even going so far to plant HIMARS debris there.

    Ukraine has said they never fired anywhere near the sites and have released Intel, including intercepted calls, showing the Russians moved the prisoners there just days before then detonated the site in an effort to cover up the torture and murder of POWs. Ukraine is asking that the UN and the Red Cross be allowed to the site to investigate. Just watch Russia deny them access.

    And to reinforce just how suspicious Russia's claims are, not a single Russia guard was as much as injured in the 'attack'.
    Well, that's unexpected

    So I think this is an obvious PR ploy, but I still think the UN and Red Cross should accept.

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    Not like anything will come out of it anyway. Even if, by chance, Russia is actually telling the truth there - it does not change anything in the giant ass list of shit they did anyway.

    And then I mean let's say UN/Red Cross come there and inspect - what will it even matter, they can't do shit about it either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Not like anything will come out of it anyway. Even if, by chance, Russia is actually telling the truth there - it does not change anything in the giant ass list of shit they did anyway.

    And then I mean let's say UN/Red Cross come there and inspect - what will it even matter, they can't do shit about it either way.
    Let's say russia IS speaking the truth, then they didn't attack, if Ukraine also didn't attack, then who did? It's not about the rest of the war it's about this specific incident and the treatment of POWs, russia isn't necessarily interested in treating POWs well but they also have no interest in treating them particularly bad. Now, according to at least one Ukrainian source this strike was not authorized by the russian ministry of defense, and it was used as a way to erase evidence of "embezzlement of funds meant for POWs.", whatever that means. Interestingly enough the day before the attack a high ranking officer from the southern military district was arrested on suspicion of..."embezzlement of funds".

    So while russia might not care about dead POWs they do care about embezzlement and rogue elements using heavy weaponry to hide crimes (and so should we, as that is quite worrying.), and I suppose that's what they want to find out...if they are telling the truth.

    As I said though, my suspicion is that it is primarily for PR reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    Nobody is going to end up nuking because of Ukraine. Even if we were to go in there in the help of Ukraine to kick the Russian soldiers out of there (and not try to conquer Russia in turn). Russian oligarchs are rich and powerful people, and using nukes would guarantee they wouldn't remain either rich nor powerful. And there is absolutely no way they would piss their life of luxury away like that. Even if Russia were to lose this war, and Russia as country would suffer because of it, they would still remain, virtually unscathed by it all.
    I mean we would all like to think so but we also liked to think Russia would not invade past the republics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Not like anything will come out of it anyway. Even if, by chance, Russia is actually telling the truth there - it does not change anything in the giant ass list of shit they did anyway.

    And then I mean let's say UN/Red Cross come there and inspect - what will it even matter, they can't do shit about it either way.
    wouldnt be suprised if the russians tortured and killed the POW's then bombed it to cover it up.

    looks like the serbs are going full cunt as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    wouldnt be suprised if the russians tortured and killed the POW's then bombed it to cover it up.

    looks like the serbs are going full cunt as well.
    Supposedly the real reason Russia blew the prison up was to hide the fact that they were embezzling money that was supposed to be used to care for PoWs and that this was a rogue act by the corrupt individuals. Given how comically corrupt Russia is it certainly sounds plausible.
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    Even now there isn't any answer to how this will all end. There's no A-B diplomatic solution or violent route (that ends positively)

    The "positive" option C of Putin dying isn't any better, as someone said that would lead to fractured Russian terrorist fiefdoms armed with nukes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydin View Post
    Supposedly the real reason Russia blew the prison up was to hide the fact that they were embezzling money that was supposed to be used to care for PoWs and that this was a rogue act by the corrupt individuals. Given how comically corrupt Russia is it certainly sounds plausible.
    As I said a bit up: I can imagine russia being VERY interested in that because, as scummy as they are, I sincerely doubt they'd like rogue elements with that kind of weaponry at their disposal. It also could indicate that they are losing control of the army. But that all hinges on them actually speaking the truth...and trust in what russia says is rather thin these days.

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    Oryx's site has hit 5000 confirmed vehicle losses, including more than 900 tanks.

    More concerning is Putin's Serbian puppets seemingly ready to restart the Balkan wars again, with some reports saying they have said they need to de-nazify the Balkans.

    But for good news, a train in occupied Crimea is reported to have exploded near Sevastopol (which should be out of HIMARS range.) It had 40 cars carrying troops, ammo and equipment. Reportedly it was completely destroyed with at least 80 dead.

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    Ukraine has supposedly hit a 40 cars plus long train in motion with a HIMARS, which were sent to attempt to reinforce Kherson, if that turns out to be true with definite confirmation that's going to make some Russians on the west side of the Dnieper nervous over the coming days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Oryx's site has hit 5000 confirmed vehicle losses, including more than 900 tanks.
    So the actual number is higher, yes?

    More concerning is Putin's Serbian puppets seemingly ready to restart the Balkan wars again, with some reports saying they have said they need to de-nazify the Balkans.
    They should start at home then.

    But for good news, a train in occupied Crimea is reported to have exploded near Sevastopol (which should be out of HIMARS range.) It had 40 cars carrying troops, ammo and equipment. Reportedly it was completely destroyed with at least 80 dead.
    Sevastopol also was the target if a drone attack today, which came from WITHIN Sevastopol. Could this be local resistance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    Ukraine has supposedly hit a 40 cars plus long train in motion with a HIMARS, which were sent to attempt to reinforce Kherson, if that turns out to be true with definite confirmation that's going to make some Russians on the west side of the Dnieper nervous over the coming days.
    That would have been way outside the normal range of HIMARS, and it isn't meant for moving targets either. Something else must have hit it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    So the actual number is higher, yes?



    They should start at home then.



    Sevastopol also was the target if a drone attack today, which came from WITHIN Sevastopol. Could this be local resistance?
    Yeah, Oryx only lists visually confirmed losses.

    Given Serbia is little Russia in attitude, with the same views about its neighbours that Russia has on its, its little wonder they get on so well.

    The drone attack on Sevastopol is interesting. Given its small size, it had to be local. Either false flag or local resistance. It was meant to be Navy Day. With parades and all. Maybe Russia wasn't keen on showing what was left of its battered fleet and troops and staged it to give them an excuse to cancel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    That would have been way outside the normal range of HIMARS, and it isn't meant for moving targets either. Something else must have hit it.
    It was apparently at Brylivka station coming from Sevastopol so not inside Crimea. That would still be extreme range though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post

    More concerning is Putin's Serbian puppets seemingly ready to restart the Balkan wars again, with some reports saying they have said they need to de-nazify the Balkans.
    Yeah, that's going nowhere.

    Half their former victims are in NATO and Croatia is in NATO and the EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    That would have been way outside the normal range of HIMARS, and it isn't meant for moving targets either. Something else must have hit it.
    The location this reportedly happened at is in reach from where the frontline is, depending on how ballsy they got with where to fire from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    Yeah, that's going nowhere.

    Half their former victims are in NATO and Croatia is in NATO and the EU.
    Kosovo though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Kosovo though...
    That's not exactly Balkan Wars.

    Serbs and Kosovars poking each other with sticks happens twice a year.

    The Serbian government itself seems uninterested in escalating and there still peacekeepers around to deal with the militias.

    The last time they got really rowdy a bunch of them ended up getting picked up in raids and extradited to the Hague for trial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Kosovo though...
    NATO never actually fully left Kosovo despite Kosovo as a state not being a formal NATO member.

    A Serbian invasion of Kosovo means dealing with NATO, and not even the nut-cases in charge of Serbia could possibly be delusional enough to believe that'll just be let slide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    NATO never actually fully left Kosovo despite Kosovo as a state not being a formal NATO member.

    A Serbian invasion of Kosovo means dealing with NATO, and not even the nut-cases in charge of Serbia could possibly be delusional enough to believe that'll just be let slide.
    I'm somehow reminded of Gavril Princip...but yeah, I get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Kosovo though...
    It'd be nice if the Balkans would just learn to play nice with their neighbors for once . . .
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