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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    So the US would intervene, but hypothetically, could Putin take on Japan just by itself?

    Russian President Vladimir Putin has emphasized that waters around four Russian-held islands claimed by Japan are strategically important. He pledged to use all possible means to defend the area.

    Putin signed an executive order approving a new Maritime Doctrine on Sunday, when a celebration was held in St. Petersburg to mark Russia's Navy Day.

    Putin said in a speech that the doctrine clearly defines the boundaries and areas of Russia's national interests.

    He added that vital strategic areas include the Black Sea, the Sea of Okhotsk, and waters around the Kuril Islands. The president said Russia will protect those areas by all means.

    What Russians call the Kuril Islands include four Russian-controlled islands that are claimed by Japan.

    Japan calls the islands the Northern Territories. The Japanese government maintains the islands are an inherent part of Japan's territory. It says the islands were illegally occupied after World War Two.

    The new doctrine divides the areas of Russia's interests in the world's oceans into three categories --"vitally important," "important" and "others." It categorizes the waters around the Northern Territories as "important."

    The document also lists the main challenges and threats to Russia's national security, including territorial claims over its islands.

    Other security threats mentioned in the doctrine include what it calls the US strategic policy to dominate the world's oceans, and the expansion of the NATO military infrastructure towards Russian borders.

    The document says Russia may use mostly diplomatic or economic measures to defend its national interests in the areas it defines as "important," but may use military forces depending on the situation.
    https://www.mod.go.jp/en/j-us-allian...nts/index.html

    If a nation plans to attack Japan, the attacker must be prepared to confront not only the defense capability of the Self-Defense Forces (SDF), but also the overwhelming military strength of the United States, due to the U.S. obligation to defend Japan in the event of an armed attack.
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    I mean for your actual question - Russia can't take over Ukraine, what do you think would happen if a far more modern defense army of Japan would be beating the shit out of the orcs?

    Also, Japan is an island. Russia's navy vs simple trolling to look elsewhere with drones and BOOM NEPTUNE is just laughworthy. Russia has no meaningful easy way to land an invasion to Japan, when they seem to rely on land forces mainly.
    Last edited by Saradain; 2022-08-01 at 10:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saradain View Post
    Also, Japan is an island. Russia's navy vs simple trolling to look elsewhere with drones and BOOM NEPTUNE is just laughworthy. Russia has no meaningful easy way to land an invasion to Japan, when they seem to rely on land forces mainly.
    I would also remind everyone of what happened the last time russia's fleet went to play with the Japanese fleet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    I would also remind everyone of what happened the last time russia's fleet went to play with the Japanese fleet.
    It's amazing that 115 years after Tsushima Straight, Russia's military hasn't change one bit in its competency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    I would also remind everyone of what happened the last time russia's fleet went to play with the Japanese fleet.
    Firing on fishing trawlers in the north sea mistaking them for Japanese torpedo boats?

    Yeah, that's an episode of Russian incompetence at sea we don't really need a repeat of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    It's amazing that 115 years after Tsushima Straight, Russia's military hasn't change one bit in its competency.
    That appears to be the Russian way. Big numbers of stuff that looks good from the distance, and you are good to go.
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    Money laundering, especially prior to his election? I couldn't give a flying fuck.

  6. #22766
    Apparently russians decided to really go all in for the artificial famine plan:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62367356

    One of Ukraine's richest businessmen has been killed with his wife in "massive" Russian shelling of the southern city of Mykolaiv.

    Oleksiy Vadatursky, 74, and his wife Raisa died when a missile hit their home overnight, local officials said.

    Mr Vadatursky owned Nibulon, a company involved in grain exports. He had also received the "Hero of Ukraine" award.
    Seeing the man seemed to be heavily invested in the whole grain business...Now he is dead because russians will weaponize hunger once more by any means necessary while also trying to get allies from Africa, region where the famine will likely hurt badly. Question is, why would any african nation even consider Russia as an ally?

    An adviser to President Zelensky's office said he believed Russia had deliberately targeted the businessman.

    Mykhailo Podolyak said one of the missiles had hit the businessman's bedroom, adding that this left "no doubt" it had been guided.

    Nibulon has built many storage facilities and other infrastructure for exporting grain.

    Ukraine and Russia are major exporters of wheat and other grains, and the disruption of exports caused by the war has sent food prices soaring worldwide.

    The two countries signed a UN-brokered agreement in Turkey last week, aimed at easing the food crisis. The deal was almost derailed by a Russian attack on the Odesa port the following day.
    Yeah, classic Russia. Everyone else is to blame but them, the ones actually genociding civilians on purpose and ensuring a whole continent will suffer from famine.

  7. #22767
    Quote Originally Posted by Saradain View Post
    Ergo, Russia is a threat to all mankind and it should cease to exist as a singular nation, land divided back to the original peoples it forcibly absorbed. Or that's what I would see as a desirable outcome. Complete and total disarmament, to never become a military threat again.
    What will happen, as people have said several times, is after Putin dies Russia will indeed dissolve as a nation. That's because Putin does not think of anyone but himself to plan out a succession, let alone his own death in mind. Russia will divide into smaller terrorist states run by warlords armed with and wrestling over nuclear weapons with one another, extending their threats and coercions to the rest of the world.

    So as a whole, there is no positive outcome. Russia is indeed a threat to everyone and everything, but it cannot be extinguished. America just wasted its chance there within the time frame after Hiroshima and now has to own up to it.

  8. #22768
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    What will happen, as people have said several times, is after Putin dies Russia will indeed dissolve as a nation. That's because Putin does not think of anyone but himself to plan out a succession, let alone his own death in mind. Russia will divide into smaller terrorist states run by warlords armed with and wrestling over nuclear weapons with one another.

    So as a whole, there is no positive outcome. Russia is indeed a threat to everyone and everything, but it cannot be extinguished. America just wasted its chance there after Hiroshima and now has to own up to it.
    Don't you worry, there will be another oligarch taking Putin's place, a one that wishes to remain filthy rich and alive. What happens to the state affairs and their form of ruling remains to be seen. One can hope they'll be less of suicidical invasion form of politics.

    There is no way that Russia and their colossal amount of land and resources would simply be forsaken and them dissolving.

  9. #22769
    Quote Originally Posted by Saradain View Post
    Don't you worry, there will be another oligarch taking Putin's place
    it will be a bloody battle for power between multiple oligarchs, not just one guy pre-planned to take the throne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    it will be a bloody battle for power between multiple oligarchs, not just one guy pre-planned to take the throne.
    Have you seen the previous "elections"? Putin, Medvedev, Putin.

    Russia is corrupt to the core, there are no democratic elections and Putin will ensure his friends will continue the reign.

    And so what if it is a bloody battle for power? Let Russia crumble as much as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saradain View Post
    Have you seen the previous "elections"? Putin, Medvedev, Putin.

    Russia is corrupt to the core, there are no democratic elections and Putin will ensure his friends will continue the reign.

    And so what if it is a bloody battle for power? Let Russia crumble as much as possible.
    I'd not bet the farm on that. Look I know putin probably has someone in mind, but being the heir apparent and actually getting into power are two different things, just ask Trotsky, Beria and a whole slew of heirs that had "mysterious" accidents...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    It's amazing that 115 years after Tsushima Straight, Russia's military hasn't change one bit in its competency.
    And barely at all in hardware.

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    Aw...poor Yuppie.

    putin lies, of course, even when he says something sensible. Yet, I prefer this tone over imminent doom.


    Edit: Maybe putin discovered MAD or his generals told him "no". Either way, I DON'T want to test it.
    Last edited by Iphie; 2022-08-01 at 06:07 PM.

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    So they cant even beat Ukraine but somehow people are expected to show them respect? What a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    I'd not bet the farm on that. Look I know putin probably has someone in mind, but being the heir apparent and actually getting into power are two different things, just ask Trotsky, Beria and a whole slew of heirs that had "mysterious" accidents...
    Or just look at history outside of Russia when a heir apparent got to impatient and had to much general support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    on a meaningful note: doesn't this whole Ukraine affair illustrate that the US is also a paper tiger? Besides the strength boasting, it claims its intel and secret service capabilities are top of the world. But up until this war, it assumed Russia was a strong army. That's evidently not good intel.
    Quite the contrary I'd say.

    Whatever happens to Ukraine, it is not all that important to the US. What is important is that they are able to directly weaken their enemy, crush their economy, rally the world against them and test their new weapon systems against a real military power. Even if Russia manages to eventually conquer all of Ukraine, it will take several years, and will cost them most of their equipments. They will never recover from that.

    Russia thought they would flex their muscles and scare everyone with a big rapid win in Ukraine, so that all the other ex-USSR countries would follow. They failed miserably, and have no way out where they can look good now. I don't know if that is what the US intel was predicting, but the outcome is amazingly in the favor of the US right now.

    Anytime you can give weapons to someone else so that they can shoot your enemies without any consequences, it is a sure win. They give a bunch of $150K Javelin to Ukraine, which they then use to destroy tanks worth $15M each, and no one is shooting back at the US.

    That will be their cheapest war in history!!

    I don't know if they tought it was going to happen that way, but if they did, it was brilliant. And if not, they won anyways.

  17. #22777
    Putin foreshadowing his use of nukes? This is a pretty ominous statement.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin said Monday there could be no winners in a nuclear war and no such war should ever be started.

    Putin made the comment in a letter to participants of a conference on the nuclear nonproliferation treaty (NPT), more than five months into his war on Ukraine.

    “We proceed from the fact that there can be no winners in a nuclear war and it should never be unleashed, and we stand for equal and indivisible security for all members of the world community,” he said.

    International concern about the risk of a nuclear confrontation has heightened since Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24. In a speech at the time, Putin pointedly referred to Russia’s nuclear arsenal and warned outside powers against any attempt to interfere.

    “Whoever tries to hinder us ... should know that Russia’s response will be immediate. And it will lead you to such consequences that you have never encountered in your history,” he said.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/p...shed-rcna40964

    "And it will lead you to such consequences that you have never encountered in your history,” he said."

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    That article is just part of the OODA-loop he's trying to infect everyone with.
    "Will he or won't he!?!?!?!?" is what he wants you to keep thinking. Obsessing over. Making so that you can't take any decisions.

    That's how he has ruled Russia for the past 20 years. Keep people in an OODA-loop so they become passive and believe there's no right or wrong, truth or falsehood anymore.

  19. #22779
    Quote Originally Posted by Mikah View Post
    Quite the contrary I'd say.

    Whatever happens to Ukraine, it is not all that important to the US.
    That is false Russia has invaded several of their neighbors to no response, Ukraine possesses a lot of natural resources we can exploit. At the end of this war we will pretty much own the country using debt diplomacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    That is false Russia has invaded several of their neighbors to no response, Ukraine possesses a lot of natural resources we can exploit. At the end of this war we will pretty much own the country using debt diplomacy.
    Unless they go the Lenin route and say "this new Russia is not responsible" for what the old Russia did.

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