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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    All the while the US is heavily dependent on Russian uranium, to sustain their power plants and has not sanctioned the import of it. So as usual blame all the major players.
    Would the US lose more than half its energy production if they halted purchase of Russian uranium? Cause several european countries would if they stopped buying Russian oil and gas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrayZ33 View Post
    Aren't you from Greece or Greek or something?

    Some people should really look in the mirror first and realize how dependent they are themselves. Just because a country relies on it more than the other doesn't really change that.
    Isn't for example Greece washing russian oil for europe and earning lots of money from it?
    Wait what, we are? First time I'm hearing this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Would the US lose more than half its energy production if they halted purchase of Russian uranium? Cause several european countries would if they stopped buying Russian oil and gas?
    As I said it is too much of a problem they won't sanction its import. There float several numbers around of at least half their nuclear powerplants being dependent on it.

    So it is a big issue.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Wait what, we are? First time I'm hearing this.
    https://www.dailysabah.com/business/...r-rages-report
    https://shippingwatch.com/carriers/T...le14047513.ece
    https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...ws-2022-05-19/
    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oi...gh-Greece.html

    India is pretty much doing the same
    Last edited by Combatbulter; 2022-08-29 at 01:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post


    Wait what, we are? First time I'm hearing this.
    It's true, though.

    https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/wirts...sland-100.html [German source, translation with DeepL]

    ZDFheute
    How Russia circumvents the EU's oil embargo ZDFheute Logo



    Sanctions come to nothing : How Russia circumvents the EU's oil embargo
    by Arndt Ginzel and Christian Rohde

    Date:
    17.08.2022 16:45 Uhr

    The EU wants to prevent Putin from continuing to sell oil to fill his war chest. But Russian tankers are simply pumping their cargo around - a search for clues in Greece.
    A view through a telescope of two tankers at sea

    The ZDF editorial frontal shows how Russian oil deals continue despite sanctions.

    Feature length:
    9 min
    Date:
    16.08.2022

    We are in Greece because something strange is happening at the southernmost tip of the European continent. Since spring, coastal residents have been spotting Russian oil tankers in the Laconian Gulf. Fishermen tell us that there has never been anything like this before.

    What the tankers want in their fishing area, the fishermen can only guess.

    There were three tankers 17, 18 miles out, exchanging petrol, oil or whatever. One was giving or taking.

    Costas Roubakos, Greek fisherman

    Since Russia invaded Ukraine, the EU wants to prevent Putin from continuing to sell oil to fill his war chest. Brussels has therefore decided on sanctions.

    From December onwards, no more oil from Russia may be imported into the EU by sea. The aim is to weaken Putin, but will it work? We want to find out on the spot.
    Ship to Ship - Pumping Oil on the Open Sea

    For weeks we followed the routes of Russian oil tankers via internet trackers. The data research brought a surprising result.

    Especially in the Laconian Gulf outside Greek territorial waters, there has been a conspicuous number of oil tankers moored for weeks. According to the route tracker, many of the ships come from Russian Black Sea ports.

    They first sail through the Bosporus and then along the Greek coast. What the trackers also reveal: Two tankers regularly lie next to each other for hours. That is more than unusual.

    Analysts at Lloyd, the largest ship insurer, assume that the Russians are carrying out so-called STS operations off the Greek coast to conceal the origin of the sanctioned oil.

    STS stands for ship-to-ship transfer - oil is transferred from one tanker to another on the high seas. A way to circumvent sanctions.
    Greek companies provide the logistics

    What we have only been able to see on screens so far, we want to check out at sea and hire a skipper. When he finds out what we are up to, he shows us tug boats from a Greek company in the harbour.

    They drive equipment like big black fenders to the tankers. They look like big black balloons and protect the sides of the tankers when they lie next to each other. Our skipper claims he has been on such STS operations himself. "Russian tankers, all Russians," he says in response to our question about STS transfers.

    He shows us photos of Russian tankers, supposedly transferring oil. But on our first trip out into the Laconian Gulf, we cannot film the pumping of oil.
    The Greek government is allegedly helpless

    The fact that off the Greek coast Russian tankers are transferring oil to other ships in order to sell it - past sanctions around the world - also concerns Greek members of parliament.

    We have an appointment with Stavros Arachovitis, the former Minister of Agriculture. Immediately after the start of the Ukraine war, he says, large tankers entered the Laconian Gulf for the first time.

    The problem is that no country can check what is happening outside the six miles: Where the oil comes from and where it goes.

    Stavros Arachovitis, former Greek Minister of Agriculture
    Greece has deliberately softened EU sanctions plans

    The Greek government recently said it could do nothing about the pumping of oil on the high seas. The truth is that the Greek government softened EU sanctions against Russia during negotiations.

    Originally, Brussels wanted to block the oil trade with Russia completely. Ships owned by Europeans would no longer be allowed to transport Russian oil. But the shipping nation prevailed that it did not come to that. And so, according to the NGO "Global Wittnes", tankers owned by Greek shipowners continue to transport Russian oil around the globe.
    Ursula von der Leyen, President of the European Commission, speaks to journalists at a meeting of EU heads of state and government in Brussels.

    At their special summit, the EU states put together the sixth sanctions package against Russia. For the time being, only Russian oil deliveries via sea routes are to be stopped.


    Confrontation with the megaphone

    A few days later, we go out again in the hope of documenting with our camera how Russian tankers are pumping oil in order to circumvent sanctions. We have chartered a faster boat and thus have the chance to

    Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

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    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    I strongly believe that guy is British.
    Oh nevermind then, I thought I saw his avatar a few years back arguing for grexit, but not as an "outsider"...more like a Greek living in "exile".
    You know, like the German-Turks voting in Turkey.

    The guy I'm talking about had a real rage boner for Merkel.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post


    Wait what, we are? First time I'm hearing this.
    Well, what can I say, a lot of shit is happening. Doesn't change the fact that the correct way to do this shit is to just "honestly" (and that's the important part) change it whenever and whereever it's possible. I wouldn't expect the shipping companies, who have a large lobby in Greece and used it to lobby to delay EU sanctions as well to stop like a week after the invasion.
    It's the same thing with gas in Germany... can't expect a country in which most households run with it to just stop importing gas, especially when Gazprom emptied the storages (the largest in EU) it had responsibility over to historical low levels right before shit hit the fan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KrayZ33 View Post
    Oh nevermind then, I thought I saw his avatar a few years back arguing for grexit, but not as an "outsider"...more like a Greek living in "exile".
    You know, like the German-Turks voting in Turkey.

    The guy I'm talking about had a real rage boner for Merkel.
    I believe that guy got permabanned eventually, though I bet he would have had a field day with this.

    Building too much of a reliance on Russia was too great a risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladier View Post
    That's the thing, Putin expected Ukraine to fold
    Putin sidelines his own Defense Minister.

    Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu may have been “side-lined within the Russian leadership” more than six months into Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine, according to the U.K. Ministry of Defence.

    “Russian officers and soldiers with first-hand experience of the war probably routinely ridicule Shoigu for his ineffectual and out-of-touch leadership as Russian progress has stalled,” the ministry said in an update.

    The move is likely “due to the problems Russia is facing” in the war with Ukraine, British officials noted.

    Shoigu, who has a background in construction and at the Ministry of Emergency Situations, “has likely long struggled to overcome his reputation as lacking substantive military experience.”

    He went missing from public eye for nearly two weeks at the start of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, and some speculated that Russian President Vladimir Putin had punished him for his start-of-war strategy.

    The U.K. Ministry of Defence cited “recent independent Russian media reports” as its source for the new intelligence.
    I trust James Bond to have up-to-date accurate intel.

    Be careful on the sidelines, Sergei. I hear there's a lot of open windows there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrayZ33 View Post
    It's the same thing with gas in Germany... can't expect a country in which most households run with it to just stop importing gas, especially when Gazprom emptied the storages (the largest in EU) it had responsibility over to historical low levels right before shit hit the fan.
    Oh we certainly cannot expect things to change now. We can still see apportion blame though. I wouldn't really place blame in my country's foreign policy mostly because we don't really matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Oh we certainly cannot expect things to change now. We can still see apportion blame though. I wouldn't really place blame in my country's foreign policy mostly because we don't really matter.
    That is the problem if you deal with people, who can become problematic very fast, which unfortunately is quite a big chunk of the world, who either want to beat down a minority in their nation, are pretty much practicing colonialism etc.

    Russia unfortunately is just the obvious tip of the iceberg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Oh we certainly cannot expect things to change now. We can still see apportion blame though. I wouldn't really place blame in my country's foreign policy mostly because we don't really matter.
    Eh... you are part of EU and you are voting for and against sanctions like everyone else. And when your "country" does shit like the one next to you or the other side of the pond, it really doesn't matter if your economic/political power is shit or not. How do you blame someone for something when you do the same things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    wot the fok did u just call me seal clubber
    Eh, id say my hunch was close enough if you're Irish, European part of the anglosphere at any rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Putin sidelines his own Defense Minister.



    I trust James Bond to have up-to-date accurate intel.

    Be careful on the sidelines, Sergei. I hear there's a lot of open windows there.
    If putin takes over then that's not necessarily going to improve their fortunes. I mean the man was a mid level KGB Toadie who had studied law, not a military genius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    If putin takes over then that's not necessarily going to improve their fortunes.
    Putin will find someone to replace Sergei's lifeless corpse. He needs someone to blame when his dreams of reforming the CCCP turn out to be impossible in the 21st goddam century.

    I don't see Putin taking over in any useful fashion. With or without fatal cancer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Ukraine is reporting they have broken through the first line of Russian defences in Kherson.
    Ukraine launches counteroffensive to retake Russian-occupied Kherson

    The announcement followed reports of Ukrainian artillery strikes on Russian positions in Kherson Oblast, and unconfirmed claims from Ukrainian officials that Russia's "first line of defense" near Kherson had been breached.

    Two senior U.S. officials told CNN's Jim Scuitto that Ukraine is targeting Russian weapons systems, command and control centers and ammunition depots in preparation for advances in southern Ukraine.

    Andriy Yermak, chief of staff to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, tweeted, "Kherson is [Ukraine]. Our Kherson is ahead."

    The launch of the offensive comes as inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) head to Zaporizhzhia in southern Ukraine for an urgent examination of Europe's largest nuclear power plant, which has been damaged by shelling.

    "Oh my God, why would you stand in front of the fucking barrel, Captain Morgan is trying to win a war, get out of the way you moron"

    Russia took large swaths of southern Ukraine in the opening days of the war, advancing north from occupied Crimea. Even as Russian forces were repulsed from Kyiv and bogged down in the east, they solidified their hold on Kherson and Zaporizhzhia oblasts.

    In Kherson, Russia installed a puppet government, restricted the internet, mandated the use of the ruble and started issuing Russian passports. The White House has warned that Russia could announce a sham referendum there in the coming days as a precursor to annexing the territory into Russia.

    Meanwhile, Russia has redeployed thousands of troops from the east — where a Russian offensive has stalled — to defend against the anticipated Ukrainian counteroffensive in the south.

    Ukraine has been using longer-range rocket systems provided by the U.S. to strike Russian ammunition depots. Meanwhile, a series of unexplained explosions on Russian military facilities in Crimea — a critical hub for Moscow's operations in the south — have hinted at Ukraine's ability to strike far behind the front lines.

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    The Ukrainian authorities are asking bloggers and other online types to go completely dark on the Kherson operation, for opsec reasons. Perfectly understandable, given a single photo was all it took for the Wagnerite HQ to get smashed.

    Some stuff has come out, mostly from the Russia side, including the Gherkin doing his best doomposting. The Ukrainians are having success at a number of locations according to Russian sources. The Russians were hit hard by heavy Ukrainian artillery fire, including HIMARS targeting the frontline for the first time. One of the main targets was apparently a separatist unit that got hit hard and was driven back - they were meant to be supported by a VDV unit as well, but they also ran.

    It'll probably be a little while before actually confirmation of what is going on comes out.

    Oh, and Belogrod was hit again leading to the locals trying to flee at midnight via train to Moscow.

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    And someone seems to have been given their marching orders - far-right Austrian activist Martin Sellner of the Identitarian movement has occupied the Nordstream 2 terminal and demanding it immediate re-opening and a referendum on the energy and sanctions policy of the Federal Republic.

    Hrm, Germany having problems with an Austrian born far-right politician, whose names ends in -er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Is this the "find out" portion of "Fuck around and find out"?

    Because this seems like the "find out" portion. Almost like Russia just assumed that the west wouldn't provide any assistance to Ukraine in any way, shape, or form and consequently they never had anything to worry about in their 3-day special operation as it enters its 7th month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Is this the "find out" portion of "Fuck around and find out"?

    Because this seems like the "find out" portion. Almost like Russia just assumed that the west wouldn't provide any assistance to Ukraine in any way, shape, or form and consequently they never had anything to worry about in their 3-day special operation as it enters its 7th month.
    To be absolutely fair to them, Western assistance would indeed have been far lesser had the country indeed fallen within 3 days or even a week. Whatever resistance movement they could find would have gotten some guns and minor intelligence thrown their way to drag on the conflict a bit, much like the rebels in Syria got, but ain't no way Uncle Sam is shipping Javelins or bigger toys to partisans operating out of a local babushka's basement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Would the US lose more than half its energy production if they halted purchase of Russian uranium? Cause several european countries would if they stopped buying Russian oil and gas?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ium_production

    According to wiki Russia have 5.43% of the worlds Uranium production. Then Kazakhstan 40.57% Canada 13.09% Australia 12.18% So replace Russian Uranium will not be that hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    The Ukrainian authorities are asking bloggers and other online types to go completely dark on the Kherson operation, for opsec reasons. Perfectly understandable, given a single photo was all it took for the Wagnerite HQ to get smashed.

    Some stuff has come out, mostly from the Russia side, including the Gherkin doing his best doomposting. The Ukrainians are having success at a number of locations according to Russian sources. The Russians were hit hard by heavy Ukrainian artillery fire, including HIMARS targeting the frontline for the first time. One of the main targets was apparently a separatist unit that got hit hard and was driven back - they were meant to be supported by a VDV unit as well, but they also ran.

    It'll probably be a little while before actually confirmation of what is going on comes out.

    Oh, and Belogrod was hit again leading to the locals trying to flee at midnight via train to Moscow.

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    And someone seems to have been given their marching orders - far-right Austrian activist Martin Sellner of the Identitarian movement has occupied the Nordstream 2 terminal and demanding it immediate re-opening and a referendum on the energy and sanctions policy of the Federal Republic.

    Hrm, Germany having problems with an Austrian born far-right politician, whose names ends in -er.
    Russion sources are reporting that the Ukrainian offensive sadly failed to achieve anything and accrued massive losses.

    I therefore consider it confirmed by the Russians that they're in full "OH FUCK" mode and Ukraine is being massively succesfull with minimal casualties.

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    Well Russia got some new friends, Iran, North Korea.
    That limit their circle of friends to about 3 plus some pseudo supporters like Venezuela, Turkey.

    GL the coming 20 years facist Russia.
    Ukraine’s government has officially registered the Moskva cruiser wreck on the Black Sea bottom as a national underwater cultural heritage site.

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    Russia keeps making outlandish claims, like shooting down the Ukrainian airforce 3 times over (yet it still flies), destroying more Bayraktars than have ever been made (yet they still fly) and destroying more HIMARS than have been given to Ukraine (without a single one actually being destroyed.)

    Turns out the reason for the later is that Ukraine made a series of decoys for them and Russia wasted at least 10 very expensive Kalibr missiles taking them out. Apparently they cost $6.5 million each.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Turns out the reason for the later is that Ukraine made a series of decoys for them and Russia wasted at least 10 very expensive Kalibr missiles taking them out. Apparently they cost $6.5 million each.
    Man, this has big "Patton's Inflatable Army" vibes to it and I love it.

    So much for all Russia's "advanced capabilities" and whatnot. Some plywood and paint seems to be overcoming the might of Russia's information networks and causing them to blow money on missiles they can't afford.

    Is there a chance of Russia running out of munitions like this at any point? Or functional aircraft? Last I recall they were scavenging parts from civilian aircraft and using consumer GPS devices and shit, so things can't be going much better at this point...

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