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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    russian standards??
    The only Russian standard I know about:


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    Any updates about the nuclear power plant that the Russians were holding hostage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    Any updates about the nuclear power plant that the Russians were holding hostage?
    Apparently that was a fake, according to the russians and an American site that is not exactly on the side of the russians (the truth will be somewhere out there). Additionally the russians want the IAEA to come check as do the Ukrainians but, of course, nobody can reach an agreement on how, when and where.

    Regarding the claim by the russians, I should hope they aren't THAT stupid and this was indeed a fake, but I don't trust them one bit. ( Even if it would seem that the grain deal holds in so far that no ships have been attacked or seized.)

  4. #22964
    Russian losses at Saky airbase updated with:

    - 4 Su-30SM multirole aircraft (destroyed)
    - 6 Su-24M/MR strike/tactical reconnaissance aircraft (5, destroyed, 1x damaged)

    https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/st...69739835969541

    wonder how much thats worth? half a billion?

  5. #22965
    Ukraine had been claiming 9 planes destroyed before satellite imagery came out. Looks like they were right.

    The su-24s cost 25 million each back when they were built in 97. So a quarter of a billion in planes alone isn't a stretch.

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    That can't be right....The russian MoD says no losses! /S

    That's a pretty big hit. Also, that poor air force guy who caused this "accident"
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  7. #22967
    Those 10 planes are just the obvious ones. There are likely more than have taken damage that can't be spotted by satellite and will need repairs before they can fly again.

    With how badly damaged the base is, that will probably mean being shipped elsewhere for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Apparently that was a fake, according to the russians and an American site that is not exactly on the side of the russians (the truth will be somewhere out there). Additionally the russians want the IAEA to come check as do the Ukrainians but, of course, nobody can reach an agreement on how, when and where.

    Regarding the claim by the russians, I should hope they aren't THAT stupid and this was indeed a fake, but I don't trust them one bit. ( Even if it would seem that the grain deal holds in so far that no ships have been attacked or seized.)
    Grain deal is likely holding so far because Russia gets something huge out of it. Firstly their fertilizers are no longer sanctioned because of the deal. Also Lavrov running around Africa and Asia isn't a "Play nice with us or else." it's cold war style "Be our friend please." and attacking any Ukrainian grain ships will turn these countries off Russia fast.

    Then also some oil states are also reliant on the grain, Russia gains from them not flooding the market. Attack a grain ship, even an accidental missile going for something else, well what's stopping these states flooding the market and essentially making Russian oil going to non aligned/friendly nations be replaced by cheaper?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Those 10 planes are just the obvious ones. There are likely more than have taken damage that can't be spotted by satellite and will need repairs before they can fly again.

    With how badly damaged the base is, that will probably mean being shipped elsewhere for that.
    think they had a bunch of drones there as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    Grain deal is likely holding so far because Russia gets something huge out of it. Firstly their fertilizers are no longer sanctioned because of the deal. Also Lavrov running around Africa and Asia isn't a "Play nice with us or else." it's cold war style "Be our friend please." and attacking any Ukrainian grain ships will turn these countries off Russia fast.

    Then also some oil states are also reliant on the grain, Russia gains from them not flooding the market. Attack a grain ship, even an accidental missile going for something else, well what's stopping these states flooding the market and essentially making Russian oil going to non aligned/friendly nations be replaced by cheaper?
    All very valid, and rational. The latter is not something the russians are known for right now. I'm just glad it holds and I hope the side effect will be a return to other negotiations, but I'm not holding my breath and certainly NOT trusting the russians.

  11. #22971
    There are still major traffic jams going on as thousands of Russian colonists try to flee Crimea.



    Thats going to be bad for PR, all those people heading back to Russia to spread word of what is going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    There are still major traffic jams going on as thousands of Russian colonists try to flee Crimea.



    Thats going to be bad for PR, all those people heading back to Russia to spread word of what is going on.
    "Wait, this 3-day special operation is still ongoing?"

    "Wait, vacationing right next to a warzone isn't a good idea?!"

    "Well honey, we may have had to cut our vacation short but we'll always have the memories of being within eyesight of the results of an active war started by our country. What? Stop crying, this is a priceless memory."

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    By some accounts it is more than 100 kilometres long. Thats a lot of traffic.

    Its a good thing that Ukrainians don't fire on civilian convoys, unlike Russians.

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    This one is almost amusing - there was a leak of mailboxes from the Russian military prosecutor's office which Bellingcat has been investigating. Amongst them were numerous almost identical complaints from officers about their superiors. Why? Well, they admit to repeatedly violating army rules, being tardy and not following orders, complained to their superiors about it - and their superiors weren't sacking them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    By some accounts it is more than 100 kilometres long. Thats a lot of traffic.

    Its a good thing that Ukrainians don't fire on civilian convoys, unlike Russians.

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    This one is almost amusing - there was a leak of mailboxes from the Russian military prosecutor's office which Bellingcat has been investigating. Amongst them were numerous almost identical complaints from officers about their superiors. Why? Well, they admit to repeatedly violating army rules, being tardy and not following orders, complained to their superiors about it - and their superiors weren't sacking them.
    Soooo...they WANT to get out so they deliberately act that way but their superiors refuse to fire them that's the complaint? Do I get that right?

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    Soooo...they WANT to get out so they deliberately act that way but their superiors refuse to fire them that's the complaint? Do I get that right?
    Yeah, that appears to be what is going on.

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    Well, guess morale is reaching breaking point then

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Well, guess morale is reaching breaking point then
    There is a reason that the Chechens are reportedly being used as good old fashioned soviet-style blocking units.

    And more on the traffic jam - a russian colonist crying as they flee. Interestingly, part of the problem seems to be that the authorities are searching the cars. Got to wonder what that is for, unless it is a good old fashioned shake down.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Got to wonder what that is for, unless it is a good old fashioned shake down.
    Secret Nazi's, obviously. That's the whole reason for the 3-day special operation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    There is a reason that the Chechens are reportedly being used as good old fashioned soviet-style blocking units.

    And more on the traffic jam - a russian colonist crying as they flee. Interestingly, part of the problem seems to be that the authorities are searching the cars. Got to wonder what that is for, unless it is a good old fashioned shake down.

    Probably a combination of shakedown and legitimate checking for saboteurs.

    Blocking units...you mean like the commissars with machine guns firing at anyone who retreats? Lovely...

  20. #22980
    That's the rumour, yes. The Chechens have been deployed on the east side of the Dnieper near Kherson to stop Russian troops on the west side from retreating.

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