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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    How...are they more sovereign now than they were in January?
    They are not (duh!), this is usual bullshit for domestic audience. AKA lies for propaganda addled brains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    How...are they more sovereign now than they were in January?
    There are less Russian Generals now that could have potentially tried and overthrow him. Hard to have a military coup when you are killing off your military.

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    Says a lot about the valued lives of his dead soldiers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XDurionX View Post
    Says a lot about the valued lives of his dead soldiers.
    Also, "lost" implies that they can't find something.

    I'm sure they know, at least roughly, where most of their dead and injured soldiers are, as well as where the pieces to the many vehicles that have been destroyed are. "We haven't lost any tanks. We know where every one of our tanks was destroyed and where the debris was taken. See? No loss, we treat that shit like it's Waldo."

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    As long as it's within the borders of russia and not interfering with other sovereign countries I really don't care what they do, they can be as sovereign as they want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    At this point we just have to wait him out. I just hope what he leaves behind is not completely broken.
    Erdogan is a double agent playing both sides. So is Viktor Orban.
    He will buy gas from Russia, while at the same time selling combat drones to Ukraine.

    The problem with being a disclosed double agent is that no one gives a shit about you and no one trusts you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XDurionX View Post
    Says a lot about the valued lives of his dead soldiers.
    Historically, Russian leaders gave very little shit on the lives of their people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuiking View Post
    And Erdogan is blaming the West for arming Ukraine.. what does that man want? What is he even? Remove him from NATO please.
    Erdogan wants what's best for Erdogan.

    Turkey has an election coming up in the first half of next year, and he's anything but secure ahead of that with what's been happening financially for many turks, with such an extreme inflation rate. It's my read of the situation that he's scrambling to try to find just about anything to boost his domestic support with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    There are less Russian Generals now that could have potentially tried and overthrow him. Hard to have a military coup when you are killing off your military.
    For a general to overthrow a ruler, they need to actually be competent and be respected by their officers and soldiers over the ruler, in addition to actually disagreeing with the ruler. Given how Russian military is run, there most likely were no generals of such qualities, so if Putin was ever concerned about such things, he really shouldn't have been.

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    oooof theres gonna be some gnarly videos of Russians getting routed coming out.

    That one on the pontoon bridge is probably going to be one of the nicer ones and it looks like hell. the guy filming it must of have his eardrums blown out, almost feel sorry for them, almost.

    all the russians telegram channels are in hysteria, Izyum could even be threatened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    oooof theres gonna be some gnarly videos of Russians getting routed coming out.

    That one on the pontoon bridge is probably going to be one of the nicer ones and it looks like hell. the guy filming it must of have his eardrums blown out, almost feel sorry for them, almost.

    all the russians telegram channels are in hysteria, Izyum could even be threatened.
    Through all the pain of inflation and high energy prices (well we had to step off gas one day anyway) seeing them in hysteria is hilarious

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    oooof theres gonna be some gnarly videos of Russians getting routed coming out.

    That one on the pontoon bridge is probably going to be one of the nicer ones and it looks like hell. the guy filming it must of have his eardrums blown out, almost feel sorry for them, almost.

    all the russians telegram channels are in hysteria, Izyum could even be threatened.
    I wonder if we will see any russan commanders/generals heads in bag given by russan soldiers when surrendering to ukraine army (lets see if anyone will get a reference).

    But man right now its kinda pain to find a good source to comfirm what is happening and not just propaganda.
    Don't sweat the details!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yunru View Post
    I wonder if we will see any russan commanders/generals heads in bag given by russan soldiers when surrendering to ukraine army (lets see if anyone will get a reference).

    But man right now its kinda pain to find a good source to comfirm what is happening and not just propaganda.
    Seeing alot of Russian troops being captured videos. Alot of this stuff has NSFW shit in it so im not posting but it ain't going well for our Russian friends.

    Watched to pontoon one again but i cant tell if they are being shelled or if they got ambushed, lots of very fucked up Russians in the video. The guy filiming it is a Russian laying behind a truck who is screaming like his eardrums are gone, so probably a shell.

    One of the captured ones is pretty dark, theres a guy the are handcuffing next to a van that looks like its been shot 7000 times and then a dead guy falls out of the door who looks like he took at least 6000 of the bullets personally.

    some of these russians cunts look like those japanese fellas the kept finding on 30 years after ww2 finished :

    https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/sta...786374/photo/1

    look at the state of that (hate to post a war criminals twitter but..)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    How...are they more sovereign now than they were in January?
    They prevented the ukrainian "nazis" from attacking ruZZia.
    Yes, that is one of the forms of propaganda being fed to the gullible ruski population, that Ukraine was a threat to ruSSia.
    Their state TV propagandists have even said that Ukraine might have done a chemical terrorist attack on ruski fascists if not stopped.
    There is no bottom to the insane lies this rogue state is now willing to spread.
    Last edited by zorkuus; 2022-09-07 at 09:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    Erdogan wants what's best for Erdogan.

    Turkey has an election coming up in the first half of next year, and he's anything but secure ahead of that with what's been happening financially for many turks, with such an extreme inflation rate. It's my read of the situation that he's scrambling to try to find just about anything to boost his domestic support with.
    It's my understanding that Erdogan cannot be re-elected himself anyway, due to limits imposed by the constitution, that obviously may not mean anything but it might be the reason why he's being a bitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    It's my understanding that Erdogan cannot be re-elected himself anyway, due to limits imposed by the constitution, that obviously may not mean anything but it might be the reason why he's being a bitch.
    Didn't he already change it to make himself president for life?

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    Seems the central electrical distribution centre in Belgorod (Russia) had a smoking accident, leaving half the city without power. What a shame.

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    Oryx is struggling to keep up with the amount of Russian losses coming in from the recent counteroffensives. 76 vehicles and artillery pieces (and 1 plane) in just 1 update.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Damn...never thought catfishing would turn so deadly but that's wild. This is why you should always try to think with your upper brain, gents. The lower brain is great, but it can get you into a lot of trouble.
    It's a real testament to Ukrainian strength and Russian weakness that Ukrainian online presences tactically weed out Russian soldiers and use their own Ukrainian guile and Russian gullibility to surgically execute invading Russians.... meanwhile, all Russian online presences have to offer is people like Shalcker, pointlessly barking Russian conspiracy theories on a WoW gaming forum.

    There's a certain quality and effectiveness difference, there.
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    Kaleredar is right...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Russia is completely depended on its rail system, and its military especially so. The problem for them is it is also depended on foreign supplied bearings, which now are no longer available to them. The outcome? 10,000 of its staff on short-term 'contracts' to fight in Ukraine, with promises of massive wage increases. But as those in Ukraine are complaining, the pay is largely a myth.

    I guess with trains not running, this lot are surplus to requirements and its cheaper to sent them off to de than to continue paying them.

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    This is only from a Ukrainian source so far, so I'd want to see other sources first, but they are reporting Putin wants to meet Zelensky to discuss the completion of the 'special military operation.'

    https://www.dialog.ua/ukraine/258158_1662296997
    They couldnt mobilize troops quickly enough in WW1 for that very reason as well. They had a minuscule length of track in total.
    Russian progress to still suffer from lack of trains, maintenance, tracks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    Didn't he already change it to make himself president for life?
    I don't think so, but it could be that you're right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    Didn't he already change it to make himself president for life?
    That was putin. Erdogan is doing something different: His party is claiming that, because turkey reformed their constitution in 2017 to combine the rolls of PM and president, that this was actually only erdogan's first term in office as president. Just blatant corruption that no one can do anything about because the AKP have too much power.
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    I do not need to play the role of "holier than thou". I'm above that..

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