Russian invasion of Ukraine

[YUPPIE]

what happens if Russia loses the war but refuses to pay reparations to Ukraine? The way people optimistically see it, they're just gonna pretty much be their bitch for the next 50 years or so until their debt is repaid on paper, maybe even forever, but I don't think they would take that at all.

I mean just like a "no" and becoming an isolated state like NK as people predict.

[Gabriel]

the thing is: Why is he so smug and unflappable now, then? Dictators usually fall apart at the seam when they fall into the self-titled trap, but this guy thinks he will still absolutely come out on top.

You don't understand something very fundamental about the russian psyche. They don't know how to admit defeat.

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what happens if Russia loses the war but refuses to pay reparations to Ukraine? The way people optimistically see it, they're just gonna pretty much be their bitch for the next 50 years or so until their debt is repaid on paper, maybe even forever, but I don't think they would take that at all.

I mean just like a "no" and becoming an isolated state like NK as people predict.

Then the sanctions will stay forever and russia will slowly collapse into civil war as it fragments into smaller states.

[YUPPIE]

Then the sanctions will stay forever

the interesting part about this is they may as well be considered forever sanctions already. No one alive now is looking 50 years ahead and it's made pretty clear no matter how much they kiss ass or display Putin's head on a pyke, no one is going to forgive them for the foreseeable 10 years. And that's what some of them are trying to brown nose for.

So it collapsing into civil war seems to be an inevitability.

And also, they don't know how to admit defeat because they have the Spartan philosophy. While I said a hypothetical "if they lose," I don't think Russians will ever surrender.

[Gabriel]

And also, they don't know how to admit defeat because they have the Spartan philosophy. While I said a hypothetical "if they lose," I don't think Russians will ever surrender.

Haha, no. It is not some noble warrior culture spirit that keeps them from surrendering. It is genetically ingrained fear of admitting to being a failure because in russia failures fall from hospital windows into food poisoning from eating too much lead through the back of their head.

[Gorsameth]

the thing is: Why is he so smug and unflappable now, then? Dictators usually fall apart at the seam when they fall into the self-titled trap, but this guy thinks he will still absolutely come out on top.

WTF are you on about. Every Dictator proudly and smugly proclaims they are winning bigly while their empire crumbles around them.

As always your takes are the 100% opposite of what happens in reality.

[Kaleredar]

Team Putin Admits Their Worst Case Scenario Is Coming True

Evgeny Buzhinsky, a retired Lieutenant-General of the Russian Armed Forces, claimed that the Ukrainian military is overflowing with American participants: “There are not only advisers, but specialists. I think that there are thousands of American advisers and specialists on the ground in Ukraine, they’re probably present in every unit.”

During his Wednesday’s radio show, Full Contact, top Kremlin propagandist Vladimir Solovyov—with a noticeably bruised face—surmised: “I’m worried. Naturally, we want for our guys to crush [the other side] and only to advance, but life doesn’t work that way.” Solovyov refused to address the source of his injuries, but in light of Ukrainian military gains, his bruised ego was likewise on full display.

"we're losing, but it's not fair because secretly the Americans helped Ukraine win and we totally would have won otherwise"


A weird pivot, but at least they're getting closer to admitting the truth, in that... they seem to have lost.

[XDurionX]

There are meant to be around 10000 Russians in Izyum but almost all are rear echelon support troops with very little combat ability.

You're saying this as if ther were trrops who had combat abilities.

[Xyonai]

Russians have finally launched a counter attack in response to the sudden rush of Ukrainian armored infantry. Did they strike at the armored column? Supply depots? Strategic command or communication centers? No.

They bombed a bunch of civilian buildings in Kharkiv, 30km away from the actual soldiers actually fighting them.

Because of fucking course they did. Incomptent fucking barbarians continue to attack noncombatants because they get trounced by anyone who fights back. Shit like this is why y'all coming to bat for Russia get relentlessly shat on.

[Gabriel]

Russians have finally launched a counter attack in response to the sudden rush of Ukrainian armored infantry. Did they strike at the armored column? Supply depots? Strategic command or communication centers? No.

They bombed a bunch of civilian buildings in Kharkiv, 30km away from the actual soldiers actually fighting them.

Because of fucking course they did. Incomptent fucking barbarians continue to attack noncombatants because they get trounced by anyone who fights back. Shit like this is why y'all coming to bat for Russia get relentlessly shat on.

I find it strange when people are worried that russia is running out of "smart" ammunition, because that would lead to more civilian casualties. Like, no, the exact opposite. russia deliberately strikes at civilian targets all the time. If anything, them running out of precision ammunition will lead to less civilian casualties as they can't hit schools and hospitals so accurately anymore.

[Corvus]

You're saying this as if ther were trrops who had combat abilities.

Well, some of them had training in heavy weaponry. The rear echelon one might be able to handle small arms but little more.

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Kupyansk (or should that be Copeyansk for the Russians) appears to have fallen.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Goncharen...86920597946370

[Iphie]

Well, some of them had training in heavy weaponry. The rear echelon one might be able to handle small arms but little more.

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Kupyansk (or should that be Copeyansk for the Russians) appears to have fallen.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Goncharen...86920597946370

Fallen? No, Liberated, a city falls to the enemy, and is liberated by the original owner or their allies.

Pedantry aside, 4-5 days? That's what it took?

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

the interesting part about this is they may as well be considered forever sanctions already. No one alive now is looking 50 years ahead and it's made pretty clear no matter how much they kiss ass or display Putin's head on a pyke, no one is going to forgive them for the foreseeable 10 years. And that's what some of them are trying to brown nose for.

So it collapsing into civil war seems to be an inevitability.

And also, they don't know how to admit defeat because they have the Spartan philosophy. While I said a hypothetical "if they lose," I don't think Russians will ever surrender.

Oh you're doing so good!

[zealo]

Whatever happened to the Kremlin's constant threats earlier this year of "scorched earth" should Americans, or any Western foreigners really, be on-field participants in this war? That sounds much more direct than just supplying weapons. That's why I don't believe that general's claim.

The only westerners participating as combatants are volunteers officially enlisted with the Ukrainian army and not there in an official capacity as part of their own respective nation's military.

Russia blows a gasket about that of course, but whining like a little bitch about it is all they have.

[Hansworst]

WTF are you on about. Every Dictator proudly and smugly proclaims they are winning bigly while their empire crumbles around them.

As always your takes are the 100% opposite of what happens in reality.

Yep, Nero was the first recorded one.

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Let's see how long Tweek will last this time.

[Corvus]

Rob Lee is reporting a Russian channel has said Izyum has surrendered. This isn't him saying it but just reporting on Russian sources.

Seems unlikely that it has yet but we've said that a number of times the last few days.

[Shrouded]

There are (unconfirmed) rumblings that the Russians have left Izyum. If that's true, it's enormous. It effectively sews up that entire frontline. It does feel like it's a little too early to celebrate though, wasn't Russia supposed to have 10k troops in that region?

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1568502706557296641

Edit: Sniped! Well played, Corvus.

[Iphie]

There are (unconfirmed) rumblings that the Russians have left Izyum. If that's true, it's enormous. It effectively sews up that entire frontline. It does feel like it's a little too early to celebrate though, wasn't Russia supposed to have 10k troops in that region?

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1568502706557296641

Edit: Sniped! Well played, Corvus.

Amount of troops is irrelevant if they do not want to, or are unable to, fight. If these were, as reported, rear echelon troops then they weren't exactly in a position to put up a big resistance, it's better to surrender or retreat in such a situation. No use in laying down your life when you have the chance to survive.

It remains to be seen how widespread this is but ehm, does this look like the frontline is crumbling?

[zealo]

Izyum just a couple of days ago were pretty far behind the front, relatively speaking. Wouldn't surprise me at all if the Russians there were just mostly logistics and support personnel as reported, many of whom wouldn't be all that combat capable.

[Shrouded]

Amount of troops is irrelevant if they do not want to, or are unable to, fight. If these were, as reported, rear echelon troops then they weren't exactly in a position to put up a big resistance, it's better to surrender or retreat in such a situation. No use in laying down your life when you have the chance to survive.

It remains to be seen how widespread this is but ehm, does this look like the frontline is crumbling?

Yeah, I agree, but I'm very skeptical about the ability to evacuate 10,000 troops that quickly. From what we've heard, most of them would be going on foot. Sure sounds like the potential for many, many POWs.

[Iphie]

russian Telegram channels report russians fled Lyman:

https://twitter.com/BarracudaVol1/st...31278256799750

Anyone considered what the effect will be on the Kherson front? I mean the russians can only keep it a secret for so long that the eastern front is crumbling.