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    Extremely happy to see the Russian forces buckle so greatly. These past few weeks to me are strong signs of serious impending trouble for the Russian regime. The pressure on Putin will now become tremendous, as both the undeniable military failures and the economic implications of the end of Russian gas in Europe support his removal. I simply do not see a way for a man who now stands between 100's of billions in revenue in both Europe and Russia AND who is the driving force behind a deeply failed and embarrassing military operation to stay in power (or indeed, alive) for long.

    He may have some success in the short term, because he has convinced a meaningful part of Russia that the operation is of limited scale and thus downplay or deny any significant losses. However, in the long term I believe the economic impacts and his exposure as a fraud rather than a strategic genius as well as grievances over the loss of Russian status will likely cost him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warning View Post
    Extremely happy to see the Russian forces buckle so greatly. These past few weeks to me are strong signs of serious impending trouble for the Russian regime. The pressure on Putin will now become tremendous, as both the undeniable military failures and the economic implications of the end of Russian gas in Europe support his removal. I simply do not see a way for a man who now stands between 100's of billions in revenue in both Europe and Russia AND who is the driving force behind a deeply failed and embarrassing military operation to stay in power (or indeed, alive) for long.

    He may have some success in the short term, because he has convinced a meaningful part of Russia that the operation is of limited scale and thus downplay or deny any significant losses. However, in the long term I believe the economic impacts and his exposure as a fraud rather than a strategic genius as well as grievances over the loss of Russian status will likely cost him.
    He might have convinced general population everything is fine and dandy, but his inner circle, government, parliament, military leaders and media, they all know what's up. And that's where the danger may come for him.
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    wonder what the potato fuhrer is thinking about all of this

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    wonder what the potato fuhrer is thinking about all of this
    "They told me this won't happen" or something like that. But it is extra spicy now, considering he removed Shoigu from the chain of command and made others report directly to him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    "They told me this won't happen" or something like that. But it is extra spicy now, considering he removed Shoigu from the chain of command and made others report directly to him.
    I meant Lukashenko, hes counting his chickens for staying out of the war so far (well he allowed Russians into belarus and to strike with air from there)

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    russian channels now reporting russia left Svatove.

    https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1568560997371191296

    That's pretty deep into so called 'liberated Luhansk'. Being a bit skeptical here as there are also reports to the opposite effect, but if it's true then I'm kinda wondering what the HELL is going on there as this would be insanely fast.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    I meant Lukashenko, hes counting his chickens for staying out of the war so far (well he allowed Russians into belarus and to strike with air from there)
    I read, and this is just me reading stuff on the internet, that the Belorussian army refused to engage in the north after being given orders by the russians. The truth is out there, but I wouldn't actually discount it seeing that the Belorussian army command isn't stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    russian channels now reporting russia left Svatove.

    https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1568560997371191296

    That's pretty deep into so called 'liberated Luhansk'. Being a bit skeptical here as there are also reports to the opposite effect, but if it's true then I'm kinda wondering what the HELL is going on there as this would be insanely fast.
    Behind the scenes, they wrote off everyone there, no plans to withdraw, just abandoned. "Good Mornink Comrade, you are, how they say, fucked? You are Ukraine problem now. Hey, at least they feed their prisoners."

    69th Dimensional Regicide game, if we overload the Ukrainian Nazis Terrorists who desecrate borsch with POWs they won't be able to advance as fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    russian channels now reporting russia left Svatove.

    https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1568560997371191296

    That's pretty deep into so called 'liberated Luhansk'. Being a bit skeptical here as there are also reports to the opposite effect, but if it's true then I'm kinda wondering what the HELL is going on there as this would be insanely fast.



    I read, and this is just me reading stuff on the internet, that the Belorussian army refused to engage in the north after being given orders by the russians. The truth is out there, but I wouldn't actually discount it seeing that the Belorussian army command isn't stupid.
    I mean, once the front lines are breached if there are no deeper, manned, lines of defence and no reserve forces to plug the gap, because they all got redirected somewhere else or simply never existed (remember Russia is short on manpower) then what is there to stop an advance once it has broken through the front? Empty uncontested ground is really easy to claim.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    I mean, once the front lines are breached if there are no deeper, manned, lines of defence and no reserve forces to plug the gap, because they all got redirected somewhere else or simply never existed (remember Russia is short on manpower) then what is there to stop an advance once it has broken through the front? Empty uncontested ground is really easy to claim.
    True, but a token occupation force would have to be in place to stop resistance. So it's not completely empty, but I wouldn't defend it either if i was part of the occupation force.



    Ukrainians are reportedly in Lysychansk again, the outskirts, but still.

    https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...92602160680963

    https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/st...94855118442497
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    "In order to achieve the stated goals of the NVO to liberate Donbass, a decision was made to regroup the Russian troops stationed in the Balakliya and Izyum regions to step up efforts in the Donetsk direction"

    Today's Russian MoD briefing acknowledging the retreat, but trying to put a brave face on it. They're shuffling troops around like it's 1917 all over again.


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    seems like Putin is facing another civil revolt not long after mutilating and killing the last batch. You can only kill or disappear so many dissenters before this only ends one way.

    It seems the reality Putin may be deposed is not some far-off fantasy. But like Syria, is this what you people want?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    seems like Putin is facing another civil revolt not long after mutilating and killing the last batch. You can only kill or disappear so many dissenters before this only ends one way.

    It seems the reality Putin may be deposed is not some far-off fantasy. But like Syria, is this what you people want?
    Yes. 10chars

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    I feel sorry YouTubers trying to keep up. The changes are so rapid. Reuters has even used the word "rout". (in the url itself, not in the body of the text, perhaps an older headline.)

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ut-2022-09-10/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shrouded View Post
    Yeah, I agree, but I'm very skeptical about the ability to evacuate 10,000 troops that quickly. From what we've heard, most of them would be going on foot. Sure sounds like the potential for many, many POWs.
    They are on foot:


    Its probaly a total chaos there.
    Don't sweat the details!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    It seems the reality Putin may be deposed is not some far-off fantasy.
    But it is, like everything you spout here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XDurionX View Post
    But it is, like everything you spout here.
    I dunno, politicians from St. Peterburg and Moscow are now openly calling for putin's removal, it won't go anywhere yet, but it is telling they dare to do it openly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    I dunno, politicians from St. Peterburg and Moscow are now openly calling for putin's removal, it won't go anywhere yet, but it is telling they dare to do it openly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    I dunno, politicians from St. Peterburg and Moscow are now openly calling for putin's removal, it won't go anywhere yet, but it is telling they dare to do it openly.
    Russians are gullible sheep who willingly believe all the shit they're fed. Putin still has support from the vast majority of the populace. The only way he'll be "removed" is him dying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XDurionX View Post
    Russians are gullible sheep who willingly believe all the shit they're fed. Putin still has support from the vast majority of the populace. The only way he'll be "removed" is him dying.
    Wake the fuck up. russians aren't stupid. They know what is actually going on, they just don't care as long as the majority is on Putin's side. When the shift happens tho, they will all spit and piss on Putin's grave and elect the next strongman and put all the blame on Putin.

    If Putin isn't stupid, he will deliberately get all the Orks in Ukraine killed in the coming months, so that there won't be a sizeable body of men coming home with some combat experience and a grudge against him, as that is a recipe for coup. Mark my words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Wake the fuck up. russians aren't stupid. They know what is actually going on, they just don't care as long as the majority is on Putin's side. When the shift happens tho, they will all spit and piss on Putin's grave and elect the next strongman and put all the blame on Putin.

    If Putin isn't stupid, he will deliberately get all the Orks in Ukraine killed in the coming months, so that there won't be a sizeable body of men coming home with some combat experience and a grudge against him, as that is a recipe for coup. Mark my words.
    The smart people have fled the country, hundreds of thousands strong. Not all that remain support him, obviously, but most do. Not that it matters, he will never ever leave office by democratic means.

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