Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Kralljin]

In the historical examples of Gaddafi and Mussolini, they were shot/beaten to death. Then hung in public.

About that...

The video reportedly left a particularly strong and consequential impression on Russian head of state Vladimir Putin. A senior diplomat who had served at the U.S. embassy in Moscow under the Obama administration reportedly claimed that "Putin had been appalled by Gaddafi's fate" to the extent that "Putin had watched a video of Gaddafi’s savage death three times, a video that shows him being sodomised with a bayonet."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killin...uammar_Gaddafi

[YUPPIE]

remember when people thought Gaddafi biting it would be a great thing...and how it actually turned out

You're gonna see that with Russia. Prepare for that in the event of Putin receiving such a fate.

[Kaleredar]

https://twitter.com/InnaSovsun/statu...36595433545730



Yep, russians just gonna laugh at us if we are lenient in any manner here. My voice joins Gabriel's - fuck Russia, harshest possible penalties for their kind. Little Ivans gonna cry for their mamas once they enjoy the extended hospitality of ukrainian prisons with hopefully far harsher treatment than normal criminals.

I say… treat them according to all relevant international laws. Hope to exchange them for Ukrainian civilians that were kidnapped.

If they view it as weakness… who cares? They can run back to their crumbling tin-pot dictatorship of incompetency and corruption while the rest of the world helps rebuild Ukraine. They can cluck their tongues and gloat about… how, after losing to what should have been a vastly inferior force and running like cowards, how Ukraine didn’t turn around and torture them when they had Russia caught dead to rights?

No one is going to care what Russia says for a long, long time.

[Xyonai]

I'm sure that decisive counter-attack against the Ukrainian advance is gonna happen any moment now.

Aaaaany moment now....

[Makabreska]

https://twitter.com/InnaSovsun/statu...36595433545730



Yep, russians just gonna laugh at us if we are lenient in any manner here. My voice joins Gabriel's - fuck Russia, harshest possible penalties for their kind. Little Ivans gonna cry for their mamas once they enjoy the extended hospitality of ukrainian prisons with hopefully far harsher treatment than normal criminals.

Problem is, that's how you loose West support if you step too far. There is still plenty of Putler lovers or pragmatic businessmen there who are only waiting for this to happen just to say" there are bad people on boths sides".

[Saradain]

Problem is, that's how you loose West support if you step too far. There is still plenty of Putler lovers or pragmatic businessmen there who are only waiting for this to happen just to say" there are bad people on boths sides".

You don't need to go impaling their heads on spikes to give them justice. It's just that eastern european justice is less lenient than the western one...

Which means life sentences can be closer to life-long, rather than 15 years. And there is nothing vengeful in that, they committed war crimes like none other - they get treated accordingly.

[Iphie]

You don't need to go impaling their heads on spikes to give them justice. It's just that eastern european justice is less lenient than the western one...

Which means life sentences can be closer to life-long, rather than 15 years. And there is nothing vengeful in that, they committed war crimes like none other - they get treated accordingly.

I think you'll find that some Western European life sentences are much longer than the 12-15 years Finland has:

Netherlands: life =life, NO parole possibilities, only the King can order your release.
Belgium: life = life, with parole possibilities
France: max temporal sentence is 30 years, with parole possibilities.
UK: life = life
Ireland: life = life
Germany: life = indeterminate time, parole possible after serving 15 years.

[Nymrohd]

I'd agree.
There might be some hope that a post-Putin regime would return all kidnap victims and POWs.
It also depends on how much of a backbone Europe has. Would any post-Putin deals for trade/aid be made contingent on the return of Ukrainians. Any Russian regime will probably place more value on those concessions than the lost sons of Tuva or Dagestan.

Honestly we should be lifting NO sanctions. Keep assets frozen, wait for international courts to recognize rights to reparations and then allow reparations to be paid through said assets. But minor sanction relief for saving children that were kidnapped would be acceptable.
Europe should not reverse their course of disengagement from the Russian economy whatever the next administration does though.

[Edge-]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/vladim...in-ukraine-war

So I guess Putin is retreating, too? Apparently he's delaying planned meetings with military officials.

He's apparently got a very, very busy schedule of avoiding bad news.

[zorkuus]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/vladim...in-ukraine-war

So I guess Putin is retreating, too? Apparently he's delaying planned meetings with military officials.

He's apparently got a very, very busy schedule of avoiding bad news.

He probably just has a bunker to inspect.

[Iphie]

Well now...

[Lahis]

Well now...

Lots of people falling down from windows soon.

[Kaleredar]

Lots of people falling down from windows soon.

How long until the people at risk from falling from windows figure out there’s just one dude doing the pushing and they outnumber him?

[Iphie]

Lots of people falling down from windows soon.

appropriate

[Yunru]

appropriate

More accurate:
https://www.101soundboards.com/sounds/178514-mommy

[Makabreska]

How long until the people at risk from falling from windows figure out there’s just one dude doing the pushing and they outnumber him?

Until they remember he still controls the country and FSB. It's never just one dude, when it comes to dictators. And he spent 20y to cement his leadership, gain loyalties and remove opponents.

[Poopymonster]

How long until the people at risk from falling from windows figure out there’s just one dude doing the pushing and they outnumber him?

It's just one dude. With lots of people who are willing to do the pushing on his behalf as a means to curry favor.

[Kaleredar]

It's just one dude. With lots of people who are willing to do the pushing on his behalf as a means to curry favor.

Yeah but are those other people still willing to do the pushing if the guy telling them to push others gets… pushed?

[Iphie]

Until they remember he still controls the country and FSB. It's never just one dude, when it comes to dictators. And he spent 20y to cement his leadership, gain loyalties and remove opponents.

Maybe so, but remember that the FSB has had some scapegoating done to them, he's been dangerous to the army leadership as well...the two pillars.

And I can't help but see a parallel between Chroetsjov and his demise and putin: he too went to his summer home, and when he came back he was deposed.

Not saying that's what's going to happen but avoiding the army leadership might mean it's starting to get a bit hot.

[YUPPIE]

Isn't Ukraine launching an all-out offensive to retake occupied territories like Crimea what Russia would consider an attack on their sovereignty, btw?