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    NATO is scary, so we'll remove our air defenses from our biggest city near NATO...

    Yeah, so not all defenses but still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    I think YUPPIE even made a post about it, a big FU I think he called it. (Pollution, "look at us burning gas", etc.)
    You expect me to read those posts?

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    Ukraine's Ministry of Defense announced via Twitter that they received an enormous amount of ammunition from the Russian army. However, since they cannot accept gifts from a nation that commits such atrocities, they intend to send it all back... Every last shell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwarven View Post
    One good thing about this whole thing is it gives every despot in the world a small taste of what it would be like to fight the US. No one is going to want to break off a piece of that for the next 100 years. Biden has played this very well so far. If only he was 20 years younger.
    Sadly NATO did not do this in 2014 when they should have and so many people have died and will die because of it. Not that if Obama had tried Merkel would have ever agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    You expect me to read those posts?
    Obviously not deliberately. (even though he once or twice had a good impression of a broken clock. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    Ukraine's Ministry of Defense announced via Twitter that they received an enormous amount of ammunition from the Russian army. However, since they cannot accept gifts from a nation that commits such atrocities, they intend to send it all back... Every last shell.
    Ukraine Troll Game still going strong.
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    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok


    If you look, you can see the straw man walking a red herring up a slippery slope coming to join this conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    I think YUPPIE even made a post about it, a big FU I think he called it. (Pollution, "look at us burning gas", etc.)
    It's not really an FU either. When you're burning gas like the way Russia is it means they have nothing else they can do with it. They have all the gas, they can't sell it, they can't store it, their stocks are full, and the only way to get rid of it is to burn it.

    This is essentially millions (maybe billions) of rubles going up in smoke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    It's not really an FU either. When you're burning gas like the way Russia is it means they have nothing else they can do with it. They have all the gas, they can't sell it, they can't store it, their stocks are full, and the only way to get rid of it is to burn it.

    This is essentially millions (maybe billions) of rubles going up in smoke.
    Yeah, I'm aware of the reasons, and how it bites economically, can't say I'm sorry that t hurts russia economically.

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    I have to ask, does it hurt the environment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I have to ask, does it hurt the environment?
    Not as much as just releasing it out into the atmosphere without burning it would, but it's not exactly a positive either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I have to ask, does it hurt the environment?
    yes, most of the emissions from burning natural gas are greenhouse gasses so those burn-off flames add considerable amounts to the atmosphere. Especially if its not being filtered like we do in modern gas powerplants.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I have to ask, does it hurt the environment?
    It is better to burn it than vent it straight to the atmosphere. Methane is like 30-80 times worse greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide.
    Last edited by Gabriel; 2022-09-18 at 03:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I have to ask, does it hurt the environment?
    Yes, this war as a whole does a lot of environmental damage. This is just part of it.

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    Ukraine has captured a working t90m tank, Russia's most modern working tank. The t14 doesn't count as it is a parade tank that breaks down on parades.

    https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1...dI0bfXsxCN12zQ

    The few t90m's in use were in supposed elite Guards Tank units. This one had been abandoned without even an attempt to disable it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Ukraine has captured a working t90m tank, Russia's most modern working tank. The t14 doesn't count as it is a parade tank that breaks down on parades.

    https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1...dI0bfXsxCN12zQ

    The few t90m's in use were in supposed elite Guards Tank units. This one had been abandoned without even an attempt to disable it.
    The 1st Guards Tank Army was allegedly destroyed in Kharkiv so it would check out that they did not have the chance to disable it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Ukraine has captured a working t90m tank, Russia's most modern working tank. The t14 doesn't count as it is a parade tank that breaks down on parades.

    https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1...dI0bfXsxCN12zQ

    The few t90m's in use were in supposed elite Guards Tank units. This one had been abandoned without even an attempt to disable it.
    The Pentagon is going to have fun going over every inch of that thing and ID'ing all it's flaws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Ukraine has captured a working t90m tank, Russia's most modern working tank. The t14 doesn't count as it is a parade tank that breaks down on parades.

    https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1...dI0bfXsxCN12zQ

    The few t90m's in use were in supposed elite Guards Tank units. This one had been abandoned without even an attempt to disable it.
    If true Putin is about to have a fit. And you know Ukraine is going to use this thing as a bargaining chip to get more aid from NATO/the US because we're going to want to tear this thing apart to see what is in this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydin View Post
    If true Putin is about to have a fit.
    You are assuming that Putin will actually find out about this. I'm fairly convinced that whenever he actually gets any reports, there's been added at least one 1 to the front of some numbers and numbers indicating losses might be missing a few orders of magnitude to make them more favourable for the higher-ups to hear. Russian military elevated such things to practically an art form, specifically modeling photography, by attaching photo evidence to their reports showing them doing some superfluous things like training troops to make it seem like that 1 in front of 23, referring to the number of ready troops, deserves to be there.

    So what I'm saying, Putin is simply not going to know that a tank is missing for quite some time, if ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladier View Post
    You are assuming that Putin will actually find out about this. I'm fairly convinced that whenever he actually gets any reports, there's been added at least one 1 to the front of some numbers and numbers indicating losses might be missing a few orders of magnitude to make them more favourable for the higher-ups to hear. Russian military elevated such things to practically an art form, specifically modeling photography, by attaching photo evidence to their reports showing them doing some superfluous things like training troops to make it seem like that 1 in front of 23, referring to the number of ready troops, deserves to be there.

    So what I'm saying, Putin is simply not going to know that a tank is missing for quite some time, if ever.
    Seeing as Russia's failures in Ukraine are basically international knowledge at this point, I don't really think Putin is as much in the dark as he's trying to keep Russian soldiers and the Russian public.

    At this point, it would have to be him willingly keeping himself in the dark.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Seeing as Russia's failures in Ukraine are basically international knowledge at this point, I don't really think Putin is as much in the dark as he's trying to keep Russian soldiers and the Russian public.

    At this point, it would have to be him willingly keeping himself in the dark.
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