Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Crispin]

They want to mark Donbass as Russian territory sothat they can claim Ukraine is invading Russia and use nukes as retaliation.

To be fair, when Russia say they'll do something, they seem not to do it. However whenever they say they won't do something they do it.

Sure everyone remember Russians screaming for months before the invasion "LOL WE WONT INVADE HAHA!"

[Flarelaine]

They want to mark Donbass as Russian territory sothat they can claim Ukraine is invading Russia and use nukes as retaliation.

Let's not go that far. Once it is proclaimed Russian territory, they can send conscripts.

[Kokolums]

And the outcome is not gonna favour Russia. Despite of what you think. Nothing points to Russia having any hope of winning,

russias just a much bigger country. and they share a border. ukraine cant win. russia waas fighting with both hands tied behind its back.

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They can try whatever the hell they want, they won't be using the said nukes. Ukraine already has done attacks on Russia proper, in form of Belgorod or even Crimea (to Russia, it's russian), so the propaganda train is bit late on the threats regarding invading Russia.

actually, the attacks on belgorod has already given putin justification to use nukes. putin is just holding back. if putin decides to nuke a week from now, a month from now or 6 months from now, he will say the attacks on belgorod is justification.

[Saradain]

russias just a much bigger country. and they share a border. ukraine cant win. russia waas fighting with both hands tied behind its back.

I think we've debunked that whole "Russia is not using its full power yet" many times over in this thread. Just throw more orcs to the meatgrinder, massive casualties, loss of equipment, absolutely destroyed and forced war goal changes many times by now, sanctions crippling and collapsing the economy...But sure, Russia still has some miracle weapon to win...

Meanwhile Ukraine gets more and more advanced western equipment that has proven to absolutely wipe the floor with the russians along other help like military training by UK/US, intelligence from various sources.

Bigger country means jackshit if you send waves after waves of practically unarmed men with little training or morale to fight. They die all the same.

actually, the attacks on belgorod has already given putin justification to use nukes. putin is just holding back. if putin decides to nuke a week from now, a month from now or 6 months from now, he will say the attacks on belgorod is justification.

Last time I checked the nukes were reserved to "existential threat" which Ukraine taking its own lands back is NOT. But sure, if you believe in that, go ahead. Let's see Putin nuking Ukraine, and you shall see the grandest, most ever-glorious response by the entire western world which will end Russia in less than those 3 days...

[Levelfive]

actually, the attacks on belgorod has already given putin justification to use nukes. putin is just holding back. if putin decides to nuke a week from now, a month from now or 6 months from now, he will say the attacks on belgorod is justification.

The West will vaporize Russia, so he can say whatever he wants, provided he survives.

[Yunru]

Here is the problem i see with Putin calling for troops. He has no tanks to give to those people. Most recent Ukraine offensive destroyed/captured the 1.st defense army tanks, gear and so on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Guards_Tank_Army
If you remember his russan parade a while ago, it lacked quite a few tanks and other like in previous years.

(Perun does a pretty good overlook)


The call is probaly only for teritorial defense in russa as they lack troops to hold it. Since USA gave them better rockets now that can probaly even reach Moskov if needed.

And there are those 2 other countrys that were supposed to be in *russan nato* and they started to fight each other. So they will have to also send troops there.

[Gabriel]

russias just a much bigger country. and they share a border. ukraine cant win. russia waas fighting with both hands tied behind its back.

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actually, the attacks on belgorod has already given putin justification to use nukes. putin is just holding back. if putin decides to nuke a week from now, a month from now or 6 months from now, he will say the attacks on belgorod is justification.

Shut the fuck up. Your posts are very very stupid, you know that?


Infracted.

Edit: Haha, nice try mods.

[Skulltaker]

Xi JinPing apperantly asks for talks regarding a cease fire and reopening a dialogue. Huh.

[Santti]

Xi JinPing apperantly asks for talks regarding a cease fire and reopening a dialogue. Huh.

Nice of him to try (I guess?), but I seriously doubt it's going to do accomplish anything. Ukraine want's it's lands and people back, and Russia says no. That's pretty much the extent of what would happen.

[Iphie]

Nice of him to try (I guess?), but I seriously doubt it's going to do accomplish anything.

I seriously think Xi is getting truly fed up with putin.

[Skulltaker]

Nice of him to try (I guess?), but I seriously doubt it's going to do accomplish anything.

You know, occasionally I like to spin theories around, so what if China goaded Putin into an attack with promises for... whatever, new gas market? And now Puting jumps at Winnie the Poos proposal, China is seen as the peace bringing mediator, Putin gets a bigger market.... no? Nah, no idea what that's about, sorry.

[MCMLXXXII]

I seriously think Xi is getting truly fed up with putin.

Hi Xi, it's Vlad. Evul west not buying gas anymore, so I have very cheap gas for you, comrade.

Hello Vlad, that's very nice of you. Send it in. How are you going to transport it from the fields to us? You made a pipeline in a record-breaking time?

Putin has left the chat.

[Okacz]

I seriously think Xi is getting truly fed up with putin.

The guy is really bad for business at this point.

Let's also not forget the border disputes between China and Russia that were "settled" in a few decades ago. According to Chinese doctrine, Russia is occupying territories that are historically Chinese, especially outer Manchuria. There is a case to be made that given the fact Putin slowly but surely losing a value as a strategic and economic partner, China will want to join the action. Wonder if Kremlin is considering that option.

[MCMLXXXII]

Weird that our beloved, now permabanned, russian shill doesn't mention anything on Twitter about this mobilization. Fear of being conscripted?

[jonnysensible]

Weird that our beloved, now permabanned, russian shill doesn't mention anything on Twitter about this mobilization. Fear of being conscripted?

leave pavel alone hes dead RIP, the state of that following list explains alot tho.

[Iphie]

Hi Xi, it's Vlad. Evul west not buying gas anymore, so I have very cheap gas for you, comrade.

Hello Vlad, that's very nice of you. Send it in. How are you going to transport it from the fields to us? You made a pipeline in a record-breaking time?

Putin has left the chat.

Funny you should say that, the "Power of Siberia" oil pipeline is 7 days out of commission for..."maintenance"... sound familiar?

[Levelfive]

leave pavel alone hes dead RIP, the state of that following list explains alot tho.

Wow, that's wild--on a list that contains Kyle Rittenhouse, James Damore, Jordan Peterson, the Russian Embassy, and Steak Umm (!), somehow Meghan McArdle is the worst.

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Here is the problem i see with Putin calling for troops. He has no tanks to give to those people. Most recent Ukraine offensive destroyed/captured the 1.st defense army tanks, gear and so on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Guards_Tank_Army
If you remember his russan parade a while ago, it lacked quite a few tanks and other like in previous years.

(snip)

The call is probaly only for teritorial defense in russa as they lack troops to hold it. Since USA gave them better rockets now that can probaly even reach Moskov if needed.

And there are those 2 other countrys that were supposed to be in *russan nato* and they started to fight each other. So they will have to also send troops there.

It reeks of fear and desperation--it may as well be a concession speech to Ukraine's gains, it panics his own people, further demoralizes his soldiers, and all that bluster that was once un(con)tested is now against a backdrop of a string humiliating defeats and his and his army's weaknesses laid bare. He banked on the West not having the stomach to challenge him or withstand even small amounts of uncertainty or economic pain (that was not an unreasonable calculation, to be fair), and now winter is coming, and he will have to do everything in his power to make that pan out. There's no doubt it makes him more dangerous, but really his last card is nukes, and if he plays it, the West will wipe Russia off the map, tanks or no.

ET remove unverified link.

[Saradain]

ETA: Meanwhile: https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/st...dFbeuE0_mExgLg



"Ukrainian journalist Andrii Tsaplienko at the Russian-Finnish border, the only available land route for Russians if they want to travel to the EU zone. The line is 30 km long."

And meanwhile in Finland, pressure grows within the parliament to close the border entirely, for all russians. Let's fucking do it!

Let them fight and die for their beloved genocidal cause.

Also your link doesn't work for me, page doesn't exist.

[zorkuus]

I seriously think Xi is getting truly fed up with putin.

Authoritarians don't respect other authoritarians who show weakness. It should be clear even to him that Putler is atleast incompetent if nothing else.

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And meanwhile in Finland, pressure grows within the parliament to close the border entirely, for all russians. Let's fucking do it!

I fucking hate all this pointless bureaucracy in our country. Even an immediate national security risk leaves our system impotent in the short term.

[Gorsameth]

They want to mark Donbass as Russian territory sothat they can claim Ukraine is invading Russia and use nukes as retaliation.

Russia is not going to glass itself over the Donbas. There is no calculation in which dying in nuclear fire is worth saying you annexed some land before dying to said nuclear fire.