Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Corvus]

So protestors being mobilised at police station realy is a thing.

https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/...24106805792773

No way that can go wrong...

[Collegeguy]

So protestors being mobilised at police station realy is a thing.

https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/...24106805792773

No way that can go wrong...

Could be a convenient way to make them "disappear". Just another reminder that Russians citizens are fucked. Only way to fix Russia is to tear it down.

[zorkuus]

So protestors being mobilised at police station realy is a thing.

https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/...24106805792773

No way that can go wrong...

How will it go wrong? They'll be cannon fodder.

[Kaleredar]

How will it go wrong? They'll be cannon fodder.

Get enough protestors in one unit with the little oversight the Russian military seems to have and we might be seeing more and more repeats of "officer intentionally run over by own troops."

[Corvus]

How will it go wrong? They'll be cannon fodder.

Fragging of officers, mutinous talk with the troops, that kind of thing. The exact kind of thing that caused the downfall of imperial Russia under the tsars.

[jonnysensible]

People literally dying so that the elite in their country can continue to steal state funds which they use to by gaudy super cars, villas, yachts and hookers.

NATO should boss up and say no fly zone past the Dnieper. Any plane or missile that crosses gets shot down and its origin blasted. The most stupid thing the west did was rule out direct involvement. Russia couldn't do shit about it.

[Corvus]

Despite Russian claims that the mobilised troops will receive weeks of training, some are being sent straight to the front with no training.

https://twitter.com/PjotrSauer/statu...1YZs-EDdotUR7g

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Russian milibloggers are livid over the prisoners swap - Putin kept going on about de-nazification but then they release those accused of being nazis.

Https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1...1YZs-EDdotUR7g

[Edge-]

Despite Russian claims that the mobilised troops will receive weeks of training, some are being sent straight to the front with no training.

https://twitter.com/PjotrSauer/statu...1YZs-EDdotUR7g

I hear sending a bunch of rando's into a combat zone with no training is generally actually a very good strategy and in no way endangers whatever unfortunate units they are attached to. Or maybe they'll be their own unit or something and can unironically be Russia recreating "Operation Human Shield".

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

no sane person thinks russia will lose to ukraine. they will declare war if they must. but they will win.

How many days are we in on Putin's "3 day special operation"?

[Vakna]

Honestly Russia is so completely and utterly broken as a state at this point I've lost all hope for peace, the only way forward to to tear the entire Russian system down and rebuild from scratch. Imagine drafting up your civilians and sending them straight to the front lines to fight an unnecessary war that you started.

[Kaleredar]

Honestly Russia is so completely and utterly broken as a state at this point I've lost all hope for peace, the only way forward to to tear the entire Russian system down and rebuild from scratch. Imagine drafting up your civilians and sending them straight to the front lines to fight an unnecessary war that you started.

If Russia seriously begins mobilizing its civilian population I think internal unrest could boil to a head very swiftly.

[XDurionX]

Sudden surge of pacifism.

[Iphie]

Sudden surge of pacifism.

Gee...I wonder why ...

[Corvus]

If Russia seriously begins mobilizing its civilian population I think internal unrest could boil to a head very swiftly.

That is what they are doing. Pretty much every civilian male is eligible due to their mandatory military training. Though to call what they receive training is laughable. When they aren't being pimped out by their officers, they are building dachas for them. If they actually train them it's less money to embezzle.

The whiplash on Russian social media is something to behold. It's gone from 'put those Ukrainian peasants in their place' to 'wait, what, it's going to effect me? He'll no.'

[Kaleredar]

That is what they are doing. Pretty much every civilian male is eligible due to their mandatory military training. Though to call what they receive training is laughable. When they aren't being pimped out by their officers, they are building dachas for them. If they actually train them it's less money to embezzle.

The whiplash on Russian social media is something to behold. It's gone from 'put those Ukrainian peasants in their place' to 'wait, what, it's going to effect me? He'll no.'

I've the impression that the Russian people, by and large, have been beaten down by years of corruption, misinformation, and draconian policy into a state of "keep your head down, don't speak up, and just try and live your life," and in doing so can more or less move forward unhindered and unperturbed. Even if people disagreed with the initial war against Ukraine, speaking against it would likely 1) not do anything and 2) could result in bad things happening to you and your loved ones. But the people dying were Ukrainians and Russians from somewhere else whom they didn't know, so what immediate effect did it have on them? Why risk speaking out when by saying nothing you can basically just continue on, and by saying something you risk prejudicial action being levied against you?

But, like I said, with the sons, fathers and husbands of practically everyone potentially going off to war to die pointlessly? That's something that either affects the individual or the family personally. Suddenly it's not so easy to just "keep your head down, don't speak up, and try and live your life."

[Gabriel]

Over 1300 arrests in a single day now.

And a number of pows have been released, including azovstal defenders and UK and US nationals who had been captured, in a prisoner swap that involves Saudi Arabia.

1300 volunteers*

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I've the impression that the Russian people, by and large, have been beaten down by years of corruption, misinformation, and draconian policy into a state of "keep your head down, don't speak up, and just try and live your life," and in doing so can more or less move forward unhindered and unperturbed. Even if people disagreed with the initial war against Ukraine, speaking against it would likely 1) not do anything and 2) could result in bad things happening to you and your loved ones. But the people dying were Ukrainians and Russians from somewhere else whom they didn't know, so what immediate effect did it have on them? Why risk speaking out when by saying nothing you can basically just continue on, and by saying something you risk prejudicial action being levied against you?

But, like I said, with the sons, fathers and husbands of practically everyone potentially going off to war to die pointlessly? That's something that either affects the individual or the family personally. Suddenly it's not so easy to just "keep your head down, don't speak up, and try and live your life."

I don't think you understand corruption in russia. They aren't beaten down by it, they all participate in it, on every rung of the society.

[Zaydin]

I don't think you understand corruption in russia. They aren't beaten down by it, they all participate in it, on every rung of the society.

I recall reading that allegedly in Russia they view corruption as inevitable and so long as it leads to stability and security they will put up with it.

[Makabreska]

Sudden surge of pacifism.

"Oh, so you support our w̶a̶r̶ special operation effort? Here is an invitation to the nearest recruitment centre!"

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I recall reading that allegedly in Russia they view corruption as inevitable and so long as it leads to stability and security they will put up with it.

Just like with dictatorship, I guess.

[Kaleredar]

I don't think you understand corruption in russia. They aren't beaten down by it, they all participate in it, on every rung of the society.

They accept it as inevitable. Pay certain people the right things. Don't say things about certain other people when they try and take advantage. Respect this person or that person or you wind up dead. That's all predictable, to a degree. Obey the "rules," no matter how perverse they may be, and you have self-preservation.


"Here's a gun with no bullets, go run out into that field and get your ass shot to death for no reason, or hunker down here and get blown up" is not predictable. At that point, self-preservation is out the window.


And it's all about self-preservation, as with any selfishness. And all that's necessary is that enough people judge that their lives are better spent fighting inside of Russia rather than getting blown up outside of it, if for nothing else than not having to be sent out to be blown up.

And I'm sure there are plenty of opportunistic Russian oligarchs and other people of actualized power that would be keen to take advantage of that, and any and all corruption that they can elicit from it.

I recall reading that allegedly in Russia they view corruption as inevitable and so long as it leads to stability and security they will put up with it.

There are certain circles within the United States that seem to believe that as well.

"It doesn't matter if a certain former president broke the law, so long as he keeps those evil leftists in their place"

[Gabriel]

I recall reading that allegedly in Russia they view corruption as inevitable and so long as it leads to stability and security they will put up with it.

They accept it as inevitable. Pay certain people the right things. Don't say things about certain other people when they try and take advantage. Respect this person or that person or you wind up dead. That's all predictable, to a degree. Obey the "rules," no matter how perverse they may be, and you have self-preservation.


"Here's a gun with no bullets, go run out into that field and get your ass shot to death for no reason, or hunker down here and get blown up" is not predictable. At that point, self-preservation is out the window.


And it's all about self-preservation, as with any selfishness. And all that's necessary is that enough people judge that their lives are better spent fighting inside of Russia rather than getting blown up outside of it, if for nothing else than not having to be sent out to be blown up.

And I'm sure there are plenty of opportunistic Russian oligarchs and other people of actualized power that would be keen to take advantage of that, and any and all corruption that they can elicit from it.




There are certain circles within the United States that seem to believe that as well.

"It doesn't matter if a certain former president broke the law, so long as he keeps those evil leftists in their place"

You guys are still missing the mark. Corruption isn't some "inevitable evil" that they have to participate in for stability and security. Corruption permeates every single aspect of their daily lives. You pay bribes for everything. It is like tax that you just have to pay and nobody thinks about it more than that. The issue with this is that everyone grows up thinking the everyday corruption is all fine and dandy, so nobody gives a shit about the high level corruption either, because they know they would do the exact same thing if they were the one in position of power. Corruption is the norm, not the exception.