1. #23741
    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwielder View Post
    God, I hope they conduct mass mobilization.

    If hundreds and thousands of 20-something childless Ivans die in Ukraine that means fewer Russians in the next generation, a net win-win. God bless Vladimir Putin, the destroyer of Russia as a great power.
    That isn't as good as it sounds. Right now the vile cretins are kidnapping kids from Ukraine to replenish their numbers.

  2. #23742
    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    That isn't as good as it sounds. Right now the vile cretins are kidnapping kids from Ukraine to replenish their numbers.
    Yes, kidnapping kids from Ukraine and sending them to fight against Ukraine, that will DEFINITELY work out the way they want.

  3. #23743
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    Yes, kidnapping kids from Ukraine and sending them to fight against Ukraine, that will DEFINITELY work out the way they want.
    I didn't mean to fight, but replenish their population in general.

    You think of some witty way the russkies are going to shoot themselves in the foot, and in no time the russkies will prove there's no bottom to their vile nature to "prevent" bad things from happening to them.

  4. #23744
    Meanwhile, Putin's speech regarding the "referenda" has been postponed until tomorrow. Curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladier View Post
    Meanwhile, Putin's speech regarding the "referenda" has been postponed until tomorrow. Curious.
    Curious indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    Yes, kidnapping kids from Ukraine and sending them to fight against Ukraine, that will DEFINITELY work out the way they want.
    Not strictly to fight, but as straight up abductions into Russia as part of staging a genocide. They themselves have admitted to that they've taken as many as 300k+ kids to Russia, and that was a while ago now so it can only have grown from there.

  7. #23747
    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    russia will get absolutely fucked if it tries to use WMDs with any excuse.
    WE all get fucked if anything happens with WMD's. The issue is brinkmanship, not whether or not Russia can nuke the Ukraine with impunity. It's a fair calculation on Russia's part to expect that the West might chill Ukrainian support if they can create a pretext to a Defensive War rather than an invasion of the Ukraine.

  8. #23748
    Sounds like complete panicked chaos going on behind the scenes in the Kremlin. I wonder if Xi had a quiet word to his vassal.

  9. #23749
    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    I think Modi's and Xi's stance on that is now pretty clear, after last week. (I don't think they'll approve of WMD being used.)
    Russia must absolutely reframe the war in Ukraine, I would imagine that's what Putin has been told by Xi. That little cabal can not justify the Russian invasion to their domestic populations as things currently stand so there needs to be a change to make Ukraine sponsored by the West as the aggressors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    WE all get fucked if anything happens with WMD's. The issue is brinkmanship, not whether or not Russia can nuke the Ukraine with impunity. It's a fair calculation on Russia's part to expect that the West might chill Ukrainian support if they can create a pretext to a Defensive War rather than an invasion of the Ukraine.
    What is not a fair calculation on Russia's part is the expectation the west will actually buy into that "pretext" they're trying to create on occupied Ukrainian territory, however. It is utterly delusional. Like, we all know already where the border was when Russia started sending in "little green men" as far back as 2014.
    Last edited by zealo; 2022-09-20 at 08:45 PM.

  11. #23751
    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    What is not a fair calculation on Russia's part is the expectation the west will actually buy into that "pretext" they're trying to create on occupied Ukrainian territory, however. It is utterly delusional. Like, we all know already where the border was when Russia started sending in "little green men" as far back as 2014.
    Obviously you won't see anyone beyond Tucker Carlson or Nick Fuentes types trying to push this position, but it's essential for Putin's domestic audience that this becomes a struggle for the survival of Russia itself rather than Russian Adventurism going horrifically wrong. It's not about whether Russia can convince the West of this new narrative, it's whether Putin can get Russia itself to justify any measure to avoid losing face in Ukraine.

  12. #23752
    Not even the Russians are buying it, which is why their stock market, even as tightly controlled as it is, tanked when the rumours of this started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Not even the Russians are buying it, which is why their stock market, even as tightly controlled as it is, tanked when the rumours of this started.
    I guess that's why he didn't go on screen, and I hope someone talked sense into him, unlikely, but a man can dream.

  14. #23754
    Another thing that happened when the rumours started was a large spike in Google searches in Russia on how to avoid military service and how to leave the country.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Biloshyts...93567866982400

    Mobilisation is not popular.

    Putins televised addresses are never done live - they are pre-recorded. For whatever reason they decidec against broadcasting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Russia is pulling some subs away from Crimea to rebase them elsewhere:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ys-2022-09-20/

    I wonder if that means they're seriously considering Crimea might be lost.
    Well, doesn't just holding Crimea require them to truck in thousands of gallons of potable water a day cause Ukraine blew up the canal when Russia stole that region.
    "Law and Order", lots of places have had that, Russia, North Korea, Saddam's Iraq.
    Laws can be made to enforce order of cruelty and brutality.
    Equality and Justice, that is how you have peace and a society that benefits all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Another thing that happened when the rumours started was a large spike in Google searches in Russia on how to avoid military service and how to leave the country.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Biloshyts...93567866982400

    Mobilisation is not popular.

    Putins televised addresses are never done live - they are pre-recorded. For whatever reason they decidec against broadcasting it.
    It was marketed as going to be live, but...russians...yeah...

  17. #23757
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    Yes, kidnapping kids from Ukraine and sending them to fight against Ukraine, that will DEFINITELY work out the way they want.
    thats actually a standard in war dating back thousands of years.

    in order to truly conquer a region:
    1. take the children of that region into your region
    2. educate them in your schools and instill your values and culture in them.
    3. send them back as adults to rule over the region that was conquered.

    this enables you to completely blank out and permanently destroy the culture of that region in just one generation.

    thats been done many times. you can erase a culture super quick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    thats actually a standard in war dating back thousands of years.

    in order to truly conquer a region:
    1. take the children of that region into your region
    2. educate them in your schools and instill your values and culture in them.
    3. send them back as adults to rule over the region that was conquered.

    this enables you to completely blank out and permanently destroy the culture of that region in just one generation.

    thats been done many times. you can erase a culture super quick.
    That requires Russia to win. They haven't done that. Nor is this some war Russia can afford to drag on for generations. And this isn't ancient Greece, where the people living in one region never know anything that happens beyond 20 miles outside of their village.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

  19. #23759
    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Another thing that happened when the rumours started was a large spike in Google searches in Russia on how to avoid military service and how to leave the country.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Biloshyts...93567866982400

    Mobilisation is not popular.
    its never popular. the FBI closed half a million cases of draft evasion in ww2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    That requires Russia to win.
    no sane person thinks russia will lose to ukraine. they will declare war if they must. but they will win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    its never popular. the FBI closed half a million cases of draft evasion in ww2.

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    no sane person thinks russia will lose to ukraine. they will declare war if they must. but they will win.
    Yea, russian mobilization is sure to solve it. They’ll just let them use the good military vehicles/equipment they’ve been saving. Wouldn’t have been fun to give that stuff to first army, things might’ve been over too soon!

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