1. #23801
    This "mobilization" isn't going to work. Mobilization requires infrastructure which was considered obsolete even during the late years of USSR and was later dismantled. No one actually keeps track of those who passed their military service. And even if those 300000 conscripts are miraculously found, there is no one to even pretend to train them, because everyone who can is in Ukraine. All this will mean is that those masses of conscripts are going to sit in military camps around Moscow (since that's where all the
    remaining infrastructure is focused on) and think about life. The last time a mass of disillusioned conscripts found itself around the capital with nothing to do, the capital was on Neva river, and Lenin found himself an army.

  2. #23802
    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Sending their very best.
    He'll make a good war criminal. He actually is perfect for the ruZZki military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    RuZZia has always prioritized using their poor and ethnic minorities as their cannon fodder.
    Let's not throw that particular brick around, too many glass houses.

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    In what should surprise no one, the partial part of the 'partial mobilisation' isn't really. Its just weasel worse designed to lull the ill-informed into a false sense of security. It covers anyone with previous military training. In a country with compulsory military training. The number of eligible men stands in the many millions. Already they are being denied permission to move around or buy plane tickets. A mobilisation centre has already been established in St. Petersburg. So not even the fortunate sons are going to get out of this.

    Oh, and the current contract soldiers who have been fighting for 6 months already? Congratulations comrade, you win free contract extension until 'partial mobilisation' is done. ie until the war ends.

    What's that comrade? Refuse to fight? To jail with you and then Wagner gets you. Refuse to serve? Jail and Wagner. Attempt to surrender or retreat? Jail and Wagner.

    Russian anti-war activists are organising protests already, but the penalty for that is jail and Wagner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    He'll make a good war criminal. He actually is perfect for the ruZZki military.
    He can survive without supply lines for months!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Okacz View Post
    It might be more in our interest to change in than in theirs. Russians are used to this bullshit, Europe could do without regular mongolian attacks on its borders in 21 century.
    Please. Your comparison is demeaning the real mongolian hordes, who would have succeded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Luniz View Post
    Well, doesn't just holding Crimea require them to truck in thousands of gallons of potable water a day cause Ukraine blew up the canal when Russia stole that region.
    They have reopened the canal. The block was their priority target on Day 1.

  7. #23807
    Rumors (no source other than twitter posts and messaging apps) that russian airlines have stopped selling tickets to men aged 18 to 65 unless they can provide evidence of approval to travel from the russian DoD.
    Sounds a bit sketchy yet entirely possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    China seems pretty keen on "supporting Russia in word only." As in, they'll say and do anything to help Russia... that doesn't actually help them fight, because they value their monetary connections to western countries far more than they care about Russian megalomania.

    But China saying "Yeah sure, Russia owns Crimea, why not" is basically no skin off their bones, so I wouldn't be too sure about that.
    China is very very keen on the principle that you cannot just grab parts of countries. Especially not through that part deciding not to be a part of the mother country anymore. Their entire policy towards Taiwan hinges on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorshen View Post
    Rumors (no source other than twitter posts and messaging apps) that russian airlines have stopped selling tickets to men aged 18 to 65 unless they can provide evidence of approval to travel from the russian DoD.
    Sounds a bit sketchy yet entirely possible.
    And bitch ass Finland is still debating whether or not to deny visas for russians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    You know what I think when I hear someone say "I'm not bluffing"? My immediate thought is "I didn't ask if you were. Why would you think I would think that?"

    Yup. If you don't want someone to know you're bluffing, saying "I'm not bluffing" is pretty much the last thing you should be doing. This feels desperate to me, and I can't see how it can make the slightest bit of difference. So he could throw a bunch of untrained reserves into the fight, with equipment that Russia probably doesn't have. What difference would that make?

    And the referendums will just be ignored by the entire world. And his threat of using nukes remains a threat he dare not use, because regardless of whether he says these are now Russian territory, the response from the West would be the same.

    This feels like endgame for me, with the reign of Putin on its dying breath.
    And the thing is, either way, bluffing or not, it's just more evidence that it's imperative he lose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorshen View Post
    Rumors (no source other than twitter posts and messaging apps) that russian airlines have stopped selling tickets to men aged 18 to 65 unless they can provide evidence of approval to travel from the russian DoD.
    Sounds a bit sketchy yet entirely possible.
    Entirely plausible. With Russia now having started mobilizing in a wider sense it would make sense they want to stop people of fighting age from leaving the country.

  12. #23812
    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    nah students and friends of mine from when i taught english there have left. Anyone vaguely skilled who doesn't want to get drafted will get out.
    in the American revolution in the 1700s, most colonists were against the war. the Continental army led by George Washington was comprised of hired guns, ex-cons, homeless and children. anyone with a skill didnt join. and when the revolution won, scores of colonists fled for the UK, Canada, etc thinking the new nation would fail.

    so what you are describing, happens a lot. skilled people dont fight. but it means nothing in terms of outcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    in the American revolution in the 1700s, most colonists were against the war. the Continental army led by George Washington was comprised of hired guns, ex-cons, homeless and children. anyone with a skill didnt join. and when the revolution won, scores of colonists fled for the UK, Canada, etc thinking the new nation would fail.

    so what you are describing, happens a lot. skilled people dont fight. but it means nothing in terms of outcome.
    And the outcome is not gonna favour Russia. Despite of what you think. Nothing points to Russia having any hope of winning, sham referendums are just that, not legal (especially when they do not control the regions fully, they just want to mark them as russian so they'll cry "Ukraine is invading Russia!!" excuse).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saradain View Post
    And the outcome is not gonna favour Russia. Despite of what you think. Nothing points to Russia having any hope of winning, sham referendums are just that, not legal (especially when they do not control the regions fully, they just want to mark them as russian so they'll cry "Ukraine is invading Russia!!" excuse).
    They want to mark Donbass as Russian territory sothat they can claim Ukraine is invading Russia and use nukes as retaliation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    They want to mark Donbass as Russian territory sothat they can claim Ukraine is invading Russia and use nukes as retaliation.
    They can try whatever the hell they want, they won't be using the said nukes. Ukraine already has done attacks on Russia proper, in form of Belgorod or even Crimea (to Russia, it's russian), so the propaganda train is bit late on the threats regarding invading Russia.

    Rephrasing a bit, the mentioned attacks are more of a long-range strikes on ammo depots(or in case of Crimea, Putin's holy land, partisans/elite forces operating behind enemy lines on Ukrainian territory). Ukraine is not gonna invade Russia (1991 borders) proper, they are after all content with defending their sovereignty.
    Last edited by Saradain; 2022-09-21 at 12:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    They want to mark Donbass as Russian territory sothat they can claim Ukraine is invading Russia and use nukes as retaliation.
    To be fair, when Russia say they'll do something, they seem not to do it. However whenever they say they won't do something they do it.

    Sure everyone remember Russians screaming for months before the invasion "LOL WE WONT INVADE HAHA!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    They want to mark Donbass as Russian territory sothat they can claim Ukraine is invading Russia and use nukes as retaliation.
    Let's not go that far. Once it is proclaimed Russian territory, they can send conscripts.

  18. #23818
    Quote Originally Posted by Saradain View Post
    And the outcome is not gonna favour Russia. Despite of what you think. Nothing points to Russia having any hope of winning,
    russias just a much bigger country. and they share a border. ukraine cant win. russia waas fighting with both hands tied behind its back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saradain View Post
    They can try whatever the hell they want, they won't be using the said nukes. Ukraine already has done attacks on Russia proper, in form of Belgorod or even Crimea (to Russia, it's russian), so the propaganda train is bit late on the threats regarding invading Russia.
    actually, the attacks on belgorod has already given putin justification to use nukes. putin is just holding back. if putin decides to nuke a week from now, a month from now or 6 months from now, he will say the attacks on belgorod is justification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    russias just a much bigger country. and they share a border. ukraine cant win. russia waas fighting with both hands tied behind its back.
    I think we've debunked that whole "Russia is not using its full power yet" many times over in this thread. Just throw more orcs to the meatgrinder, massive casualties, loss of equipment, absolutely destroyed and forced war goal changes many times by now, sanctions crippling and collapsing the economy...But sure, Russia still has some miracle weapon to win...

    Meanwhile Ukraine gets more and more advanced western equipment that has proven to absolutely wipe the floor with the russians along other help like military training by UK/US, intelligence from various sources.

    Bigger country means jackshit if you send waves after waves of practically unarmed men with little training or morale to fight. They die all the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    actually, the attacks on belgorod has already given putin justification to use nukes. putin is just holding back. if putin decides to nuke a week from now, a month from now or 6 months from now, he will say the attacks on belgorod is justification.
    Last time I checked the nukes were reserved to "existential threat" which Ukraine taking its own lands back is NOT. But sure, if you believe in that, go ahead. Let's see Putin nuking Ukraine, and you shall see the grandest, most ever-glorious response by the entire western world which will end Russia in less than those 3 days...
    Last edited by Saradain; 2022-09-21 at 12:57 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post

    actually, the attacks on belgorod has already given putin justification to use nukes. putin is just holding back. if putin decides to nuke a week from now, a month from now or 6 months from now, he will say the attacks on belgorod is justification.
    The West will vaporize Russia, so he can say whatever he wants, provided he survives.
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