Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Iphie]

Of course. Easy to get a result you prefer when you send gunmen from door to door, ask for their vote, then the gunmen putting the said vote on the paper without showing the actual voter if the correct one was put in...

Don't forget that the boxes for the votes were transparent as well...(or at least the ones I saw were transparent.)

[Saradain]

Don't forget that the boxes for the votes were transparent as well...(or at least the ones I saw were transparent.)

Aren't they always? Russia always pretends to show honesty in things, for show.

Also any ukrainian left in the regions were also "voting in behalf of the fled family members". So one "vote" counted as several votes, decided by Russia of course.

Nothing legitimate in the voting, just Russia trying to pretend Ukraine would be "invading" them instead to sell it as a defensive war...for Russia.

[Makabreska]

Aren't they always? Russia always pretends to show honesty in things, for show.

Also any ukrainian left in the regions were also "voting in behalf of the fled family members". So one "vote" counted as several votes, decided by Russia of course.

Nothing legitimate in the voting, just Russia trying to pretend Ukraine would be "invading" them instead to sell it as a defensive war...for Russia.

And let's face it. Whoever stayed in those regions since 2014 was either die-hard Putler fan or too old/disabled to run away.

[Ettan]

Unless technology moved since few years ago, there always has to be a certain amount of gas pumped through the pipes. That's how this tech works.

Perhaps, I do not know.


Appartently explotions where registered on seismic measuring stations.
So yeah sabotage seems guaranteed.

[Iphie]

Perhaps, I do not know.


Appartently explotions where registered on seismic measuring stations.
So yeah sabotage seems guaranteed.

Accidents can also happen and, out of curiosity, I checked the area for geology, I'm not sure if some underwater shit can be ruled out.

Anyway we'll see what the cause is, even if I wonder who would benefit here.


@Makabreska

Caretakers? Families? No money to go away? It's, unfortunately, not always that easy. A large proportion will be as you say but there will also be a significant amount of people who just cannot leave, even if they wanted to.

[Mikah]

Welp, first results are in. After "counting" 14% of votes, 96,97% "voted" for joining Russia.

Well the results were already in last week...

[Gabriel]

Nord stream 1 and 2 have both sprung leaks in what many seem to think was sabotage.

https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...rce=reddit.com

Excellent. We cold turkey on gas now.

[Iphie]

Excellent. We cold turkey on gas now.

No such luck, both pipelines were empty and it won't affect gas supplies to Germany.

[Ripster42]

Quite funny to realise that Shalcker is most likely in a 18km queue into Georgia

I'll repeat: shalcker has long claimed to be a sysadmin, a profession that's exempted from mobilization.

[Santti]

I'll repeat: shalcker has long claimed to be a sysadmin, a profession that's exempted from mobilization.

I mean, according Shalcker, he is a sysadmin. According to Russia, they might be exempt. We probably shouldn't trust either of them.

[The Stormbringer]

I'll repeat: shalcker has long claimed to be a sysadmin, a profession that's exempted from mobilization.

Weren't they snatching up people from literal ICBM manufactories? Sounds like they don't give a shit about 'professionals'.

[Ripster42]

Weren't they snatching up people from literal ICBM manufactories? Sounds like they don't give a shit about 'professionals'.

I literally don't think ICBMs are as central to RF's security strategy as a working internet that allows them to propagate their propaganda and censor news.

[Crispin]

Accidents can also happen and, out of curiosity, I checked the area for geology, I'm not sure if some underwater shit can be ruled out.

Anyway we'll see what the cause is, even if I wonder who would benefit here.


@Makabreska

Caretakers? Families? No money to go away? It's, unfortunately, not always that easy. A large proportion will be as you say but there will also be a significant amount of people who just cannot leave, even if they wanted to.

It’s 3 leaks in total on N1 and N2, sabotage is obvious.

Also Norwegian oil and gas platforms are seeing drone activity in their area. They’re one of the suppliers for Europe now that Russia is out.

1. Russia will sabotage supply from Norway

2. Cry “ours was sabotaged aswell”

3. Realise no one belivies their playbook cus it’s like a toddlers and fall back to whataboutism and “Russophobia!”

Imo Russia military ships and planes operating in the Baltic sea and near NATO countries +Sweden and Finland should be targets at this point.

Also saw that Medvedev or whatever his name is, said that NATO wont act on a nuclear attack in Ukraine. I’m however sure that NATO will love i to Ukraine and remove Russia from their land.

Also this mass exodus from Russia, is not going to help their sinking economy.

[Iphie]

It’s 3 leaks in total on N1 and N2, sabotage is obvious.

Also Norwegian oil and gas platforms are seeing drone activity in their area. They’re one of the suppliers for Europe now that Russia is out.

1. Russia will sabotage supply from Norway

2. Cry “ours was sabotaged aswell”

3. Realise no one belivies their playbook cus it’s like a toddlers and fall back to whataboutism and “Russophobia!”

You do realise the moment russia looks funny at the Norwegian platforms they're in deep shit due to Art. 5?

I'll admit, it would be very strange for three leaks to happen simultaneously, but I would like proof, not "it's obvious".

[Okacz]

1. Russia will sabotage supply from Norway

2. Cry “ours was sabotaged aswell”

3. Realise no one belivies their playbook cus it’s like a toddlers and fall back to whataboutism and “Russophobia!”

Norwegian pipelines werent damaged together with russian, which could work for the "everyones pipelines were damaged lol" argument. Any damage to Norwegian AFTER N1 and N2 would look suspicious as hell.

And what's russias gain here if Baltic Stream remains functional - by damaging their own pipelines they just removed their own way of blackmailing EU. Germany won't be thinking about talking it out with Russia for the sake of cheap energy if that option was literally blown up.

Baltic needs to be heavily monitored still, but I doubt it was the russians, that event is 100% a loss for them.

[Ettan]

Eurasian plate - meets the american araund iceland, the african plate along the mediteranian coast/north italy/greece (the european side).

http://www.efehr.org/export/sites/ef...lts_ESHM20.jpg

http://www.efehr.org/Earthquake-risk...rthquake-risk/

Area in question sits at 0,0002 to 0,0007 on the ESHM20 scale, now thats not 0 but its as low as it gets; scale doesnt go any lower .
Best part tho, if it was something else you would think seismographs would have confirmed that pretty quickly.
Instead they picked up very low readings at 2.2, consistent with that of bombs/ explosions.

Now could it be techinical "accidents" perhaps in three locations on both pipelines at the same time? Yes possible.
But (given our current political climate, europe in an economic war with russia) you have to be pretty retarded to buy that.
I mean Aliens could also fly down from uranus and make you president of the universe.
That could happen.

[Forogil]

No such luck, both pipelines were empty and it won't affect gas supplies to Germany.

They weren't in use - but they still contained gas.

But you are right that it will not impact gas supplies to Germany. On one hand it means Russia no longer has that possibility to dangle it in front of Germany during a cold winter, but on the other hand it means a regime change in Russia wouldn't quickly be able to turn it around.

One current speculation is that it was Russia, which would indicate that they don't believe it would be possible to try to persuade Germany with gas during the winter - indicating they believe Germany is too steadfast, or Russian infrastructure is so broken that they cannot deliver anyway.

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Added: If it were an accident, it would likely be some moron ship dragging an anchor. So, it could be a drunk Russian captain :-)

[Iphie]

They weren't in use - but they still contained gas.

But you are right that it will not impact gas supplies to Germany. On one hand it means Russia no longer has that possibility to dangle it in front of Germany during a cold winter, but on the other hand it means a regime change in Russia wouldn't quickly be able to turn it around.

One current speculation is that it was Russia, which would indicate that they don't believe it would be possible to try to persuade Germany with gas during the winter - indicating they believe Germany is too steadfast, or Russian infrastructure is so broken that they cannot deliver anyway.

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Added: If it were an accident, it would likely be some moron ship dragging an anchor. So, it could be a drunk Russian captain :-)

I'm reminded of the Kursk, if something similar would have happened then obviously russia would be quiet. (Unlikely though with 3 locations, but ya know.)

[zealo]

I kinda wonder, did Russia hit their own pipelines by mistake in an attempt to sabotage Baltic Pipe?

Confirmation coming out the damage is from deliberate explosions, and it being this close to the partial opening of a new pipeline from Norway to Poland, set to enter partial operation on October 1st of this year, is highly suspicious.

[Gorsameth]

I kinda wonder, did Russia hit their own pipelines by mistake in an attempt to sabotage Baltic Pipe?

Confirmation coming out the damage is from deliberate explosions, and it being this close to the partial opening of a new pipeline from Norway to Poland, set to enter partial operation on October 1st of this year, is highly suspicious.

If Russia wanted to further mobilize the West against them, to the point where directly attacking a pipeline could even be pushed as a reason for triggering article 5, then yeah.... sure....