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    It's almost certainly way more than 300k, and then there are all the working age males who have fled the country as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vakna View Post
    That's what I was also thinking, 300k random civvies being pulled out of their regular day (or night) jobs to go fight in a war, what is that going to do to the economy when there is suddenly 300k less employees overnight?
    300k (?) drafted, over 600k fled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    People always flee war. 11 million fled Ukraine.
    That's one strange way of letting us know you don't understand context in the least bit. Those that fled Ukraine were avoiding war they not only didn't want, but didn't start. Russians leaving wanted the war, but now that they might have to take part in it and face the horrors they wished on others and die in the process suddenly hate it.

    Don't you see the difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    People always flee war. 11 million fled Ukraine.




    https://www.nj.com/news/2022/09/more...uge-in-nj.html

    More than 11M people fled Ukraine. Meet one family finding refuge in N.J.

    Published: Sep. 04, 2022, 7:30 a.m.

    The pair are among the estimated 11.5 million people who have fled Ukraine in the six months since they were torn from their homeland amid a relentlessly brutal war. Total pop is 41 million on wiki. So 25% fled the nation.
    Yeah they were fleeing because their cities and villages were being completely destroyed. Russians are fleeing because they don't want to fight, their homes are still perfectly intact. Not even close to a fair comparison.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    That was almost entirely women and children, a lot who have now returned. Unlike Russian men, the Ukrainian men stayed and fought. They had more volunteers than they could use.

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    A Russian economist is saying Russia's economy will die by winter due to the mobilisation.

    https://fortune.com/2022/09/26/russi...-mobilization/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    "Russian economist mysteriously felled from a window."
    Eh, this is one of those professions actually needed to keep russia afloat. Oligarchs come and go, competent economists are much less replaceable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Eh, this is one of those professions actually needed to keep russia afloat. Oligarchs come and go, competent economists are much less replaceable.
    being a needed professional never stopped a purge in russia
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    True....so self fulfilling prophecy it is.

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    Looks like the last Russan youtuber Konstantin fleed the russa now, so its gona be harder to get news from inside.
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    Quite funny to realise that Shalcker is most likely in a 18km queue into Georgia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yunru View Post
    Looks like the last Russan youtuber Konstantin fleed the russa now, so its gona be harder to get news from inside.
    Looks like he's in Uzbekistan now.

    Did Niki and Zangief get out (they were with Konstantin recently showing how sanctions affected how they shop)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    Quite funny to realise that Shalcker is most likely in a 18km queue into Georgia
    Well, on Twitter he's still defending his Grand overlord with whataboutisms

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Unlike Russian men, the Ukrainian men stayed and fought. They had more volunteers than they could use.
    It's a bit of overdramatization in favour of the Ukrainians.

    While sure you also had a ton of volunteers, but they also blocked any male citizen who's able to serve from leaving the country when the war started back in February.
    There's arguably a reason why primarily women left, because they were allowed to, i somehow doubt the Ukrainians would turn down any women who is willing to fight for their country, at least during the first weeks.

    Not attacking Ukraine (a ton of countries have similiar clauses in their laws) but it's a glorification to state that basically every male was willing to fight & die for Ukraine, especially in the first weeks when it wasn't clear whether the country would withstand the first assault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit Halloween Voter View Post
    Snowden is a good example of an old Cold War principle: the punishment for spying for Russia is living in Russia.

    Always found it very karmic how depressed Kim Philby was living in Russia after defecting.
    Just gonna say that someone like Snowden or Philby don't get the same standards of living as your average person. They get better housing, better healthcare, a lot more money then your average person there and are part of select circles of society that are hard to get into.

    And Philby being depressed about it is a myth.

    As for Snowden. He really was a naïve fool.
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    The first mobilised soldier has already been taken pow. He lasted just three days before attempting to desert but got captured instead.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianCo...t=share_button

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    Nord stream 1 and 2 have both sprung leaks in what many seem to think was sabotage.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...rce=reddit.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    The first mobilised soldier has already been taken pow. He lasted just three days before attempting to desert but got captured instead.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianCo...t=share_button

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    Nord stream 1 and 2 have both sprung leaks in what many seem to think was sabotage.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...rce=reddit.com
    Shalcker said it was not sabotage because Putin already stopped pumping gas to Europa. Why would he sabotage it?

    So yeah, it's definitely sabotage

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    Apparently seismic monitoring stations in southern Sweden and Denmark detected underwater explosions in the area (during the period when it's believed they were damaged).

    Quote Originally Posted by Google Translate
    The gas leaks on Nord Stream 1 and 2 are being investigated by the German state as deliberate attacks. Now SVT can reveal that measuring stations in both Sweden and Denmark recorded powerful underwater blasts in the same area as the gas leaks on Monday. "There's no doubt that there are blasts," says Björn Lund, senior lecturer in seismology at the Swedish National Seismic Network, SNSN.

    https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/s...ll-nord-stream
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    it doesn't have to have been actually Russia who sabotaged it. Probably plenty of people who would love to make sure Germany doesn't run back home to Russia at the earliest opportunity.
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    Welp, first results are in. After "counting" 14% of votes, 96,97% "voted" for joining Russia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Welp, first results are in. After "counting" 14% of votes, 96,97% "voted" for joining Russia.
    Of course. Easy to get a result you prefer when you send gunmen from door to door, ask for their vote, then the gunmen putting the said vote on the paper without showing the actual voter if the correct one was put in...

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