1. #24161
    Pandaren Monk Ettan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Kekistan
    Posts
    1,907
    Quote Originally Posted by Hansworst View Post
    Shalcker said it was not sabotage because Putin already stopped pumping gas to Europa. Why would he sabotage it?

    So yeah, it's definitely sabotage
    Im abit torn on the issue, there was clearly gas running through them still.

    Implication being If gas was running, payment would be going to russia.
    If that is the case I am severly dissapointed in germany.

    But to their benefit I could also see the russians manufacturing this event, pumping gas and ripping their own lines to sow confusion and create division. And at the same time threaten more vital supply lines.
    Its right up their playbook.

    Either way, im glad that they are sabotaged now.
    I called for ripping those pipelines from the very outset of this conflict.
    Again, isolate them.

    Rather pressing now, for the norwegian gov to actually get their sh*t together and bar russian vessels from entry into the northsea.
    (the fishing/ salmon treaties be damned, its farmed now mostly anyway; russians overfishing in their sector is not exactly an important issue right now).

  2. #24162
    Legendary! Makabreska's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    Streets Strange by Moonlight
    Posts
    6,703
    Quote Originally Posted by Ettan View Post
    Im abit torn on the issue, there was clearly gas running through them still.

    Implication being If gas was running, payment would be going to russia.
    If that is the case I am severly dissapointed in germany.

    But to their benefit I could also see the russians manufacturing this event, pumping gas and ripping their own lines to sow confusion and create division. And at the same time threaten more vital supply lines.
    Its right up their playbook.

    Either way, im glad that they are sabotaged now.
    I called for ripping those pipelines from the very outset of this conflict.
    Again, isolate them.

    Rather pressing now, for the norwegian gov to actually get their sh*t together and bar russian vessels from entry into the northsea.
    (the fishing/ salmon treaties be damned, its farmed now mostly anyway; russians overfishing in their sector is not exactly an important issue right now).
    Unless technology moved since few years ago, there always has to be a certain amount of gas pumped through the pipes. That's how this tech works.
    Sometimes, the light of the moon is a key to other spaces. I've found a place where, for a night or two, the streets curve in unfamiliar ways. If I walk here, I might find insight, or I might be touched by madness.

  3. #24163
    Pandaren Monk Iphie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Suomi/Nederland
    Posts
    1,905
    Quote Originally Posted by Saradain View Post
    Of course. Easy to get a result you prefer when you send gunmen from door to door, ask for their vote, then the gunmen putting the said vote on the paper without showing the actual voter if the correct one was put in...
    Don't forget that the boxes for the votes were transparent as well...(or at least the ones I saw were transparent.)

  4. #24164
    Bloodsail Admiral
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    Finland
    Posts
    1,099
    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Don't forget that the boxes for the votes were transparent as well...(or at least the ones I saw were transparent.)
    Aren't they always? Russia always pretends to show honesty in things, for show.

    Also any ukrainian left in the regions were also "voting in behalf of the fled family members". So one "vote" counted as several votes, decided by Russia of course.

    Nothing legitimate in the voting, just Russia trying to pretend Ukraine would be "invading" them instead to sell it as a defensive war...for Russia.

  5. #24165
    Legendary! Makabreska's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    Streets Strange by Moonlight
    Posts
    6,703
    Quote Originally Posted by Saradain View Post
    Aren't they always? Russia always pretends to show honesty in things, for show.

    Also any ukrainian left in the regions were also "voting in behalf of the fled family members". So one "vote" counted as several votes, decided by Russia of course.

    Nothing legitimate in the voting, just Russia trying to pretend Ukraine would be "invading" them instead to sell it as a defensive war...for Russia.
    And let's face it. Whoever stayed in those regions since 2014 was either die-hard Putler fan or too old/disabled to run away.
    Sometimes, the light of the moon is a key to other spaces. I've found a place where, for a night or two, the streets curve in unfamiliar ways. If I walk here, I might find insight, or I might be touched by madness.

  6. #24166
    Pandaren Monk Ettan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Kekistan
    Posts
    1,907
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Unless technology moved since few years ago, there always has to be a certain amount of gas pumped through the pipes. That's how this tech works.
    Perhaps, I do not know.


    Appartently explotions where registered on seismic measuring stations.
    So yeah sabotage seems guaranteed.

  7. #24167
    Pandaren Monk Iphie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Suomi/Nederland
    Posts
    1,905
    Quote Originally Posted by Ettan View Post
    Perhaps, I do not know.


    Appartently explotions where registered on seismic measuring stations.
    So yeah sabotage seems guaranteed.
    Accidents can also happen and, out of curiosity, I checked the area for geology, I'm not sure if some underwater shit can be ruled out.

    Anyway we'll see what the cause is, even if I wonder who would benefit here.


    @Makabreska

    Caretakers? Families? No money to go away? It's, unfortunately, not always that easy. A large proportion will be as you say but there will also be a significant amount of people who just cannot leave, even if they wanted to.

  8. #24168
    Stood in the Fire
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    479
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Welp, first results are in. After "counting" 14% of votes, 96,97% "voted" for joining Russia.
    Well the results were already in last week...

  9. #24169
    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post

    Nord stream 1 and 2 have both sprung leaks in what many seem to think was sabotage.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...rce=reddit.com


    Excellent. We cold turkey on gas now.

  10. #24170
    Pandaren Monk Iphie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Suomi/Nederland
    Posts
    1,905
    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post


    Excellent. We cold turkey on gas now.
    No such luck, both pipelines were empty and it won't affect gas supplies to Germany.

  11. #24171
    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    Quite funny to realise that Shalcker is most likely in a 18km queue into Georgia
    I'll repeat: shalcker has long claimed to be a sysadmin, a profession that's exempted from mobilization.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rudol Von Stroheim View Post
    I do not need to play the role of "holier than thou". I'm above that..

  12. #24172
    Elemental Lord Santti's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Finland
    Posts
    8,824
    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    I'll repeat: shalcker has long claimed to be a sysadmin, a profession that's exempted from mobilization.
    I mean, according Shalcker, he is a sysadmin. According to Russia, they might be exempt. We probably shouldn't trust either of them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ransath View Post
    Money laundering, especially prior to his election? I couldn't give a flying fuck.

  13. #24173
    Reforged Gone Wrong The Stormbringer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    ...location, location!
    Posts
    14,019
    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    I'll repeat: shalcker has long claimed to be a sysadmin, a profession that's exempted from mobilization.
    Weren't they snatching up people from literal ICBM manufactories? Sounds like they don't give a shit about 'professionals'.

  14. #24174
    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    Weren't they snatching up people from literal ICBM manufactories? Sounds like they don't give a shit about 'professionals'.
    I literally don't think ICBMs are as central to RF's security strategy as a working internet that allows them to propagate their propaganda and censor news.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rudol Von Stroheim View Post
    I do not need to play the role of "holier than thou". I'm above that..

  15. #24175
    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Accidents can also happen and, out of curiosity, I checked the area for geology, I'm not sure if some underwater shit can be ruled out.

    Anyway we'll see what the cause is, even if I wonder who would benefit here.


    @Makabreska

    Caretakers? Families? No money to go away? It's, unfortunately, not always that easy. A large proportion will be as you say but there will also be a significant amount of people who just cannot leave, even if they wanted to.
    It’s 3 leaks in total on N1 and N2, sabotage is obvious.

    Also Norwegian oil and gas platforms are seeing drone activity in their area. They’re one of the suppliers for Europe now that Russia is out.

    1. Russia will sabotage supply from Norway

    2. Cry “ours was sabotaged aswell”

    3. Realise no one belivies their playbook cus it’s like a toddlers and fall back to whataboutism and “Russophobia!”

    Imo Russia military ships and planes operating in the Baltic sea and near NATO countries +Sweden and Finland should be targets at this point.

    Also saw that Medvedev or whatever his name is, said that NATO wont act on a nuclear attack in Ukraine. I’m however sure that NATO will love i to Ukraine and remove Russia from their land.

    Also this mass exodus from Russia, is not going to help their sinking economy.
    Last edited by Crispin; 2022-09-27 at 04:19 PM.

  16. #24176
    Pandaren Monk Iphie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Suomi/Nederland
    Posts
    1,905
    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    It’s 3 leaks in total on N1 and N2, sabotage is obvious.

    Also Norwegian oil and gas platforms are seeing drone activity in their area. They’re one of the suppliers for Europe now that Russia is out.

    1. Russia will sabotage supply from Norway

    2. Cry “ours was sabotaged aswell”

    3. Realise no one belivies their playbook cus it’s like a toddlers and fall back to whataboutism and “Russophobia!”
    You do realise the moment russia looks funny at the Norwegian platforms they're in deep shit due to Art. 5?

    I'll admit, it would be very strange for three leaks to happen simultaneously, but I would like proof, not "it's obvious".

  17. #24177
    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    1. Russia will sabotage supply from Norway

    2. Cry “ours was sabotaged aswell”

    3. Realise no one belivies their playbook cus it’s like a toddlers and fall back to whataboutism and “Russophobia!”
    Norwegian pipelines werent damaged together with russian, which could work for the "everyones pipelines were damaged lol" argument. Any damage to Norwegian AFTER N1 and N2 would look suspicious as hell.

    And what's russias gain here if Baltic Stream remains functional - by damaging their own pipelines they just removed their own way of blackmailing EU. Germany won't be thinking about talking it out with Russia for the sake of cheap energy if that option was literally blown up.

    Baltic needs to be heavily monitored still, but I doubt it was the russians, that event is 100% a loss for them.

  18. #24178
    Pandaren Monk Ettan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Kekistan
    Posts
    1,907
    Eurasian plate - meets the american araund iceland, the african plate along the mediteranian coast/north italy/greece (the european side).

    http://www.efehr.org/export/sites/ef...lts_ESHM20.jpg

    http://www.efehr.org/Earthquake-risk...rthquake-risk/

    Area in question sits at 0,0002 to 0,0007 on the ESHM20 scale, now thats not 0 but its as low as it gets; scale doesnt go any lower .
    Best part tho, if it was something else you would think seismographs would have confirmed that pretty quickly.
    Instead they picked up very low readings at 2.2, consistent with that of bombs/ explosions.

    Now could it be techinical "accidents" perhaps in three locations on both pipelines at the same time? Yes possible.
    But (given our current political climate, europe in an economic war with russia) you have to be pretty retarded to buy that.
    I mean Aliens could also fly down from uranus and make you president of the universe.
    That could happen.

  19. #24179
    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    No such luck, both pipelines were empty and it won't affect gas supplies to Germany.
    They weren't in use - but they still contained gas.

    But you are right that it will not impact gas supplies to Germany. On one hand it means Russia no longer has that possibility to dangle it in front of Germany during a cold winter, but on the other hand it means a regime change in Russia wouldn't quickly be able to turn it around.

    One current speculation is that it was Russia, which would indicate that they don't believe it would be possible to try to persuade Germany with gas during the winter - indicating they believe Germany is too steadfast, or Russian infrastructure is so broken that they cannot deliver anyway.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Added: If it were an accident, it would likely be some moron ship dragging an anchor. So, it could be a drunk Russian captain :-)
    Last edited by Forogil; 2022-09-27 at 08:25 PM.

  20. #24180
    Pandaren Monk Iphie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Suomi/Nederland
    Posts
    1,905
    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    They weren't in use - but they still contained gas.

    But you are right that it will not impact gas supplies to Germany. On one hand it means Russia no longer has that possibility to dangle it in front of Germany during a cold winter, but on the other hand it means a regime change in Russia wouldn't quickly be able to turn it around.

    One current speculation is that it was Russia, which would indicate that they don't believe it would be possible to try to persuade Germany with gas during the winter - indicating they believe Germany is too steadfast, or Russian infrastructure is so broken that they cannot deliver anyway.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Added: If it were an accident, it would likely be some moron ship dragging an anchor. So, it could be a drunk Russian captain :-)
    I'm reminded of the Kursk, if something similar would have happened then obviously russia would be quiet. (Unlikely though with 3 locations, but ya know.)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •