Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Corvus]

Ukrainians are putting the kia total around Lyman at 1500 Russians.

https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/statu...l6joro_R-VgeRQ

[jonnysensible]

Putin just gave a huge speech basically outlining why he is about to declare war on the US and nuke the US. The final holdup to the war is waiting for the Russian legislature to pass the paperwork formally annexing the Ukrainian regions. The legislature is supposedly taking this up October 4th.

This has been a religious war from the start. Putin summed his list of grievances with the West that he has said over and over again for the past 15 years (liberalism is satanic, homosexuality is immoral, sex changes of kids is immoral, abortion is immortal, etc.), and the cherry on top was when he hinted that the fact that the US is the only nation in history to nuke nukes (Atomic bombs on Japan to end WW2), that this gives Russia the authority to nuke the US.


Grim days, indeed.


https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status...29807593533441

the bolded part is nonsense rest is fine. You keep doing this by taking information and then skewing it to your end of the world fetish like yuppie.

Just curious, what are you personally doing if you think nukes are going to be used? got a plan?

[Iphie]

Ukrainians are putting the kia total around Lyman at 1500 Russians.

https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/statu...l6joro_R-VgeRQ

With the "normal" ratio dead to injured that's what? 4-5000 casualties total? Give or take a few hundred

[Corvus]

With the "normal" ratio dead to injured that's what? 4-5000 casualties total? Give or take a few hundred

Might not have been a lot of wounded by the sounds of it. The Russians just abandoned anyone hit in their rout and many who might have survived didn't because they didn't receive medical care.

[Kokolums]

"Putin wants to end the world in nuclear fire, but he is waiting for the paperwork first".

I don't even know where to start on this insanity lol.

that wasnt what i said. but its hilarious that you cannot grasp the concept of a nation making a mistake in a war. are you seriously telling me that you think wars are fought with sound logic and perfect decision making? have you ever watched people try to make decisions????

im not here to answer WHY putin might want to file paperwork before nuking. im telling you that is what it damn well looks like.

to paraphrase Einstein: "Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe,"

but it is funny as HELL to watch you try to mock me based on an argument that humans always make logical choices. hahahaahahhaahahh

[Kaleredar]

that wasnt what i said. but its hilarious that you cannot grasp the concept of a nation making a mistake in a war. are you seriously telling me that you think wars are fought with sound logic and perfect decision making? have you ever watched people try to make decisions????

im not here to answer WHY putin might want to file paperwork before nuking. im telling you that is what it damn well looks like.

to paraphrase Einstein: "Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe,"

but it is funny as HELL to watch you try to mock me based on an argument that humans always make logical choices. hahahaahahhaahahh

So let me guess, this is a plea from you for the US and the EU to back off, for Ukraine to surrender, and for Russia to get everything it wants, right?

[Corvus]

Putin doesn't have a little red button to press. He doesn't even have sole authority to use nukes. And even if a consensus is reached, it then has to go down the chain of command and would require everyone involved drinking the cool-aid.

This isn't anything new. Putin rattles the nuclear sabre every couple of months since forever. And ignore the propagandist - they know, despite trying to convince the gullible otherwise that NATO would respond if an attack was made on them.

[Dontrike]

im telling you that is what it damn well looks like.

You've been saying that for the last half decade, and literally every single one of your "this is what it looks like" has been 100% wrong. It's amazing you've ignored reality smacking every single conspiracy of yours down and you still believe yourself to be a prophet of some kind.

[Slant]

that wasnt what i said. but its hilarious that you cannot grasp the concept of a nation making a mistake in a war. are you seriously telling me that you think wars are fought with sound logic and perfect decision making? have you ever watched people try to make decisions????

im not here to answer WHY putin might want to file paperwork before nuking. im telling you that is what it damn well looks like.

to paraphrase Einstein: "Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe,"

but it is funny as HELL to watch you try to mock me based on an argument that humans always make logical choices. hahahaahahhaahahh

Yes, actually. You'd be surprised to learn that the higher you go, the better people seem to be at decision making. It's like the better they get at their jobs, the more experienced they get, the more trust they earned to make the right decisions. It's absolutely amazing to see military folks make decisions, by the way. See, that's one of the core parts of their training. Like, to nuke or not to nuke? That's a question they've been answering for the past 80 years in, oh it must be millions of wargames by now. It's not like there's a lot of choices to begin with. Once you come to terms with MAD, it's a really binary solution that can be reduced to this: "Do I want to die today or not?"

Everytime you answer that with "Not today." you don't launch nukes.

AMAZING. I know. This hyped up new technology called logic, god... it's stealth logic is what it is, I tell you. You don't see it, but it's there, and then it ambushes you when you least expect it.

[Forogil]

Putin doesn't have a little red button to press. He doesn't even have sole authority to use nukes.

True, but none in the troika of Putin, Shoigu and Gerasimov inspire confidence.

And even if a consensus is reached, it then has to go down the chain of command and would require everyone involved drinking the cool-aid.

And information would also have to go up the chain of command, and any deployment of new weapons would likely be noticed before they happen.

So far Russia has had so long delays in those chains of commands (despite Putin allegedly bypassing them) that they are likely to target a place Ukraine have already left - for conventional weapons, and I don't see how tactical weapons would improve that from Russian perspective. In the unlikely event that they are used I would more fear a scorched earth strategy.

[Azadina]

that wasnt what i said. but its hilarious that you cannot grasp the concept of a nation making a mistake in a war. are you seriously telling me that you think wars are fought with sound logic and perfect decision making? have you ever watched people try to make decisions????

im not here to answer WHY putin might want to file paperwork before nuking. im telling you that is what it damn well looks like.

to paraphrase Einstein: "Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe,"

but it is funny as HELL to watch you try to mock me based on an argument that humans always make logical choices. hahahaahahhaahahh

Is that followed by the US civil war, in which Russia and China helps the Alpha Incel Trumpkins slaughter all libcucks and other untermenschen? That was one of your frequent fantasies also, correct?

[Iphie]

True, but none in the troika of Putin, Shoigu and Gerasimov inspire confidence.

Gerasimov is, allegedly, more a loyalist to russia than putin, that's not to say he won't consent but his loyalty is apparently a bit different.

Also, after this Troika the rest of the army generals need to agree, then the order must be signed, delivered and executed, and all those parts can say: "no" (or so my understanding is of the russian process). It's not a quick process to initiate a first strike.

[Shadowferal]

As I understand it, the US has a process that is far quicker to launch nukes than Russia. And considering past near-launches, we were very glad that the Russian military insisted on such a procedure.

[Bakis]

AP News: 10 Torture sites in 1 town

At a mass grave site created by the Russians and discovered in the woods of Izium, at least 30 of the 447 bodies recently excavated bore visible marks of torture — bound hands, close gunshot wounds, knife wounds and broken limbs, according to the Kharkiv regional prosecutor’s office. Those injuries corresponded to the descriptions of the pain inflicted upon the survivors.

Men with links to Ukrainian forces were singled out repeatedly for torture, but any adult man risked getting caught up. Matilda Bogner, the head of the U.N. human rights mission in Ukraine, told the AP they had documented “widespread practices of torture or ill-treatment of civilian detainees” by Russian forces and affiliates. Torture of soldiers was also systemic, she said.

For the men, Room 6 was for electrocution. Room 9 was for waterboarding

Putler shows his love for his Russian brothers he liberate in Ukraine..

Russia is so thoroughly FUCKED for decades even after a (positive)regime shift.
What a shitass country Russia is, never learn from history of its treatment to both its own population as well as others.

[Jastall]

that wasnt what i said. but its hilarious that you cannot grasp the concept of a nation making a mistake in a war. are you seriously telling me that you think wars are fought with sound logic and perfect decision making? have you ever watched people try to make decisions????

im not here to answer WHY putin might want to file paperwork before nuking. im telling you that is what it damn well looks like.

to paraphrase Einstein: "Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe,"

but it is funny as HELL to watch you try to mock me based on an argument that humans always make logical choices. hahahaahahhaahahh

Russia launching nukes would require a helluva lot of smart people to disregard not only logic but basic self-preservation entirely and accept that they, their families, and all their loved ones will likely die in nuclear fire over a glorified border dispute and grudge match. Even if they're the sort of sociopath who only cares about The Country in an abstract sense, everyone who has two braincells to rub together know that that the second said country launches a nuke, its time to exist can be counted in hours.

Much like your wet dream of an American civil war, it's not going to happen.

[Unholyground]

I just hope Ukraine takes a bunch of Russia's land as it seems only fair after this.

[Makabreska]

I just hope Ukraine takes a bunch of Russia's land as it seems only fair after this.

Nah, not gonna happen. They would loose support from the West and 180° Russian morale. Not even telling if they can do it, given they want to retake their territories first.

[D Luniz]

I just hope Ukraine takes a bunch of Russia's land as it seems only fair after this.

the closest (and it would be a LONG SHOT) would be a demilitarized zone carved out of the Russian land on their western border, and that would only happen if Putin and a lot of over hardliners committed suicide but failing off a balcony after putting two poisoned bullets in their back as tends to oddly happen.

[Slant]

I just hope Ukraine takes a bunch of Russia's land as it seems only fair after this.

The whole premise of Western approach is that Russia is doing all of this unprovoked. If that is the truth and nobody attacks Russian soil, there is a small chance that Russian population can see their folly and realise that nobody on this planet has an interest in their shitty swamp. I say small, because I don't think that nation is the smartest cookie in the jar to begin with.

The second anyone not Russian touches Russian soil, you are literally turning this into The Great Patriotic War 2.0. We don't want that. I mean, not unless we actually intend to break Russia like Germany was broken. Completely devastate the entire nation and occupy them for oh, 50 years or so. Again, nobody on this planet actually wants to live in that shitty swamp. So, let's not do that.

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the closest (and it would be a LONG SHOT) would be a demilitarized zone carved out of the Russian land on their western border, and that would only happen if Putin and a lot of over hardliners committed suicide but failing off a balcony after putting two poisoned bullets in their back as tends to oddly happen.

Actually, considering how Ukraine fights this war, a demilitarized zone of 10-20 KM seems fairly simple to enforce.

[Gabriel]

The whole premise of Western approach is that Russia is doing all of this unprovoked. If that is the truth and nobody attacks Russian soil, there is a small chance that Russian population can see their folly and realise that nobody on this planet has an interest in their shitty swamp. I say small, because I don't think that nation is the smartest cookie in the jar to begin with.

The second anyone not Russian touches Russian soil, you are literally turning this into The Great Patriotic War 2.0. We don't want that. I mean, not unless we actually intend to break Russia like Germany was broken. Completely devastate the entire nation and occupy them for oh, 50 years or so. Again, nobody on this planet actually wants to live in that shitty swamp. So, let's not do that.

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Actually, considering how Ukraine fights this war, a demilitarized zone of 10-20 KM seems fairly simple to enforce.

For fuck's sake... I wish this kind of optimism died out already.