Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Iphie]

Seems Luka went stupid.

https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status...30401495797760

[enigma77]

Seems Luka went stupid.

https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status...30401495797760

No, here's the translation: We're not going to lift a finger because we're already "aiding" Russia.

[Iphie]

No, here's the translation: We're not going to lift a finger because we're already "aiding" Russia.

Ah, well as long as his troops stay on his side of the border I don't think anyone really cares about him.

[Corvus]

He's 'protecting' Russia from an attack by Poland, Lithuania and Latvia. Basically, he's the guy in D&D who 'guards the rear'.

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Sounds like the northern Kherson front is rapidly collapsing. Must have felt left out from all the other Russian collapses of late. And this time they can't blame it on separatists and other conscript forces - this is where they stuffed most of their best forces.

[Iphie]

He's 'protecting' Russia from an attack by Poland, Lithuania and Latvia. Basically, he's the guy in D&D who 'guards the rear'.

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Sounds like the northern Kherson front is rapidly collapsing. Must have felt left out from all the other Russian collapses of late. And this time they can't blame it on separatists and other conscript forces - this is where they stuffed most of their best forces.

Once that goes I'm expecting the south and west to follow quickly

[zealo]

He's 'protecting' Russia from an attack by Poland, Lithuania and Latvia. Basically, he's the guy in D&D who 'guards the rear'.

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Sounds like the northern Kherson front is rapidly collapsing. Must have felt left out from all the other Russian collapses of late. And this time they can't blame it on separatists and other conscript forces - this is where they stuffed most of their best forces.

Seems to be a rout going on when maps with differences such as this is being pushed by pro-Russian channels only hours apart, they're definitely making good progress along the river.

[Iphie]

That's impressive. Seems the milibloggers are close to an aneurysm.

[Slant]

Carrot and stick. Greece's economy was not ready and it had JUST come out of a dictatorship a few years before. Joining the EU effectively funded the socialist's party stranglehold on the public sector by letting them parade EU funds as their own achievement and using them to build a customer state.

It's the same reason why I do not think Ukraine should be fast tracked in the EU. I hope everything ends up well with this war. But Ukraine will need motivation to modernize its economy and minimize corruption. Not to mention that adding an economy that is less than robust and suffers from significant inefficiencies into a market as radically free as the EU is absolutely destructive to its trade balance. You need a prolonged period to not only ensure that democratic values STICK but also for investments to bear fruit and create an efficient economy that can actually compete within the market before it enters the market.

I agree 100%. Ukraine joining the EU is something that all of us want, but they need to follow procedure like everyone else. Same with NATO, albeit that is substantially simpler, since it's a military alliance that doesn't have quite the same requirements.

And none of that can happen while the war is going on. Despite what redditors are dreaming about, NATO cannot accept a country that is currently at war with the main adversary of NATO. That would drag us all immediately into a war that is so far very locally contained and going pretty well for Ukraine. If you can say that about a war with thousands and thousands of victims. No, not counting Russians.

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Seems to be a rout going on when maps with differences such as this is being pushed by pro-Russian channels only hours apart, they're definitely making good progress along the river.

Crossing the river will be the real challenge. If I may be the dumb armchair general, I'd cross the river now that they have the upper hand, not go south into the city and then fight my way across a river. Encircle the whole damn thing and toss them all into the Black Sea, while simultaneously having a bridgehead east of the river. We have seen multiple times now that Russia's natural reaction to encirclement is to run like the bitches they are. Exploit it and make everything easier for Ukraine.

But, I'm not a brilliant military strategist like the folks in Ukraine. Very curious to see how they solve this problem.

[Iphie]

Crossing the river will be the real challenge. If I may be the dumb armchair general, I'd cross the river now that they have the upper hand, not go south into the city and then fight my way across a river. Encircle the whole damn thing and toss them all into the Black Sea, while simultaneously having a bridgehead east of the river. We have seen multiple times now that Russia's natural reaction to encirclement is to run like the bitches they are. Exploit it and make everything easier for Ukraine.

But, I'm not a brilliant military strategist like the folks in Ukraine. Very curious to see how they solve this problem.

I think that's going to be difficult, Ukraine has been very effective in destroying those bridges IN ORDER to put the russians with their back against the river with no way out.

I suspect the idea is: kick them out of Kherson city, reinforce the Zaporozhzhia front, push in Donetsk and Luhansk, turn west after securing that, secure those areas, and make their way to Crimea, then cross the Dnipro from Kherson.

Or at least, that's what I'd do. But my military experience is: Total War, Warhammer and WH40k and Airsoft.

[Gorsameth]

Crossing the river will be the real challenge. If I may be the dumb armchair general, I'd cross the river now that they have the upper hand, not go south into the city and then fight my way across a river. Encircle the whole damn thing and toss them all into the Black Sea, while simultaneously having a bridgehead east of the river. We have seen multiple times now that Russia's natural reaction to encirclement is to run like the bitches they are. Exploit it and make everything easier for Ukraine.

But, I'm not a brilliant military strategist like the folks in Ukraine. Very curious to see how they solve this problem.

I seem to remember that it was thought Ukraine would also have trouble crossing in the north, until it wasn't and they were suddenly on the other side.

Crossing rivers is supposed to be hard, but your also supposed to face organised and supplied resistance.

[Kallisto]

Crossing the river will be the real challenge. If I may be the dumb armchair general, I'd cross the river now that they have the upper hand, not go south into the city and then fight my way across a river. Encircle the whole damn thing and toss them all into the Black Sea, while simultaneously having a bridgehead east of the river. We have seen multiple times now that Russia's natural reaction to encirclement is to run like the bitches they are. Exploit it and make everything easier for Ukraine.

But, I'm not a brilliant military strategist like the folks in Ukraine. Very curious to see how they solve this problem.

I doubt it would work. Crossing the river to the south will have similar logistical issues with the bridges out that Russia has to the north. It's likely the plan is to try to claim everything north of the Dnipro river. Leave enough to deter any Russian crossing, then swing as much as possible round to the Zaporizhzhia front to push down to the Azov sea (Get a propaganda coup by Liberating Mariupol), cutting Russian forces in two parts.

[Slant]

I doubt it would work. Crossing the river to the south will have similar logistical issues with the bridges out that Russia has to the north. It's likely the plan is to try to claim everything north of the Dnipro river. Leave enough to deter any Russian crossing, then swing as much as possible round to the Zaporizhzhia front to push down to the Azov sea (Get a propaganda coup by Liberating Mariupol), cutting Russian forces in two parts.

Liberating Mariupol would be big. But maybe we're all too excited and the overall plan is simply to mop Russia up North to South, ending in Sevastopol and/or blowing up that damn bridge to Russia.

[The Stormbringer]

The missing nuclear submarine is... pretty concerning. Hopefully just more showboating but still.

[Gabriel]

The missing nuclear submarine is... pretty concerning. Hopefully just more showboating but still.

Could be just garden variety incompetence.

[Iphie]

Could be just garden variety incompetence.

Remember the Kursk? Anyway, it's designed to carry one specific weapon, a weapon that is not expected to be operational untill 2027.

[Vampiregenesis]

Is Russia capable to concede defeat at this rate? Nukes are coming...

[Santti]

Is Russia capable to concede defeat at this rate? Nukes are coming...

They can't admit defeat, no. And there will be no nukes, come on now.

[Xyonai]

The missing nuclear submarine is... pretty concerning. Hopefully just more showboating but still.

There was also a buzz around a Nuclear Weapons Convoy moving around Russia yesterday but it wasn't getting much traction so idk how real it was.

[Makabreska]

They can't admit defeat, no. And there will be no nukes, come on now.

If it's not one nukehead it's another.

[Iphie]

There was also a buzz around a Nuclear Weapons Convoy moving around Russia yesterday but it wasn't getting much traction so idk how real it was.

According to the Americans it was false info, or at least not nukes.