Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Elegiac]

Cool, and I am talking about the invasion plan itself.

Cool; we weren't. Reading is hard.

And? He does not care, gotta sell it only to the Russians pretty much, who are in/famously passive.

Which he's failing to do. Reading is hard.

It's almost like you think he is senile and does not understand what he is doing.

I can't speak to his senility, but I absolutely think he and his cronies are engaging in folly in the political sense.

They are trying to put Humpty Dumpty back together again, which has never been possible. That's folly.

[Shalcker]

Tell me some russian platforms that are legit good, sorry but anything related to modern timers fall back to EU/US. From Movies to Games.

West even gets some games later then Russia - like Lost Ark.

[Easo]

Cool; we weren't. Reading is hard.



Which he's failing to do. Reading is hard.



I can't speak to his senility, but I absolutely think he and his cronies are engaging in folly in the political sense.

You were blabbing about how invasion plan failed due to mobile phones. Jesus christ you are as painful as Shalcker.

[Elegiac]

You were blabbing about how invasion plan failed due to mobile phones

it's far more likely that they're trying to salvage the situation after their plans to invade under the pretext of a false flag got exposed by the fact they forgot cellphone cameras are a thing

Reading. Is. Really. Fucking. Hard. Apparently.

Don't compare me to Shalcker when you're the one attacking a strawman.

[Shalcker]

Which he's failing to do. Reading is hard.

"A lot" of Moscow hipsters disagree with Putin. Yeah, total Putin's failure. /s

[Low Hanging Fruit]

Looks like Europe is in the business of getting another WW going.. thanks guys

[Elegiac]

"A lot" of Moscow hipsters disagree with Putin. Yeah, total Putin's failure. /s

Considering he's actively engaged in suppression of dissent it does in fact represent a massive failure as an autocrat if you can't even get the people in the capital to buy the shit you're selling, yes.

Doesn't change the fact that you're still lying when you claim that "Ukraine has shifted Russian perceptions" when the evidence indicates the opposite. The copium here is really pungent, so I won't be surprised if you shift from "most Russians support it" to "well it doesn't matter if most Russians oppose it because Putin's in charge and they can't change that".

That's what you don't get, habibi: autocrats don't care about you, or 'the People', or even the country. They're only in it for themselves. And by insisting that democracy is bad you've removed any ability to check political selfishness which the US and the EU, for all their flaws, still have.

As much as you want to try and claim parity, at the end of the day you do not have the moral high ground. You're carrying water for a dyed in the wool fascist. And there's a word for people that do that.

[Gimlix]

West even gets some games later then Russia - like Lost Ark.

Sure if you get 1 game out of the 100, then sure i hope Lost Ark will be fun for a few years to come.

[Forogil]

Looks like Europe is in the business of getting another WW going.. thanks guys

Yeah, and as in 1939 Russia is an aggressor trying to divide Europe and conquer "their parts" - only this time there's no other dictator wanting the other part.

[Joszef Kiprich]

Sure if you get 1 game out of the 100, then sure i hope Lost Ark will be fun for a few years to come.

At least they still have Tetris

[Low Hanging Fruit]

Yeah, and as in 1939 Russia is an aggressor trying to divide Europe and conquer "their parts" - only this time there's no other dictator wanting the other part.

Probably worse. Like 15 countries that have generations built upon NA vs EU bants on Twitch.

[Gimlix]

Cool, and I am talking about the invasion plan itself. Putin obviously knew sanctions would come in and he would be demonized. And? He does not care, gotta sell it only to the Russians pretty much, who are in/famously passive.
It's almost like you think he is senile and does not understand what he is doing. I think he and lackeys know perfectly well, though.



Dude, I said expect a crazy week, obviously that means it is not over. And we can do some obvious guesses as to what will happen.

10 billion are not just randomly found on the ground, for projects which take years due to how massive they are.

But if you compare it to the 300-400 Billion they make a year, 10 billion is really nothing though :/ (According to Wiki)

[Reeve]

He had hour-long speech where he said a lot of things; it wasn't limited to single point.

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So?

His current actions are exactly how "stopping being a victim" looks like from his perspective.

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They did until West went and couped Yanukovich right after major Russian agreement with him.

That's when Russian perceptions shifted to "West is actually full of shit; they lie, cheat, and ignore rule of law"

What coup? You mean when he was legally removed from office by the Ukrainian parliament after a massive movement from the people of Ukraine? How does that equate to a Western Coup? Nevermind, I already know your answers.

[Easo]

In more interesting news - Ukraine announced 10km exclusion zone at the frontline in Donbas and has started at least partial mobilization. Seems they waited until the very end, as reports of army equipment moving are coming in pretty much only now.
It also looks like both sides are heavily shooting at each other (and I do not mean Russian forces, I mean Ukraine vs LDNR), more than what could be attributed to false flag propaganda and certainly more than Kiev's official position. Sorry, but reality sucks.

AA is also being deployed on both sides. I think this is it, chances are it will start this week. Will they stop at regional borders, though...?

As per Biden NATO will keep arming Ukraine now and is reinforcing NATO's eastern flank - Poland and Baltics (F-35's and additional battalions of troops). Nothing about Romania for now.

Speaking about false flags - seems they even found a body to burn in BTR (probably some dead hobo as per guesses) to make a Donetskwood production video about Ukrainian "attack". Similar guesses are made about the 2x BMP's destroyed in Russia after Ukrainian "incursion".
They technically are not impossible things (funnier things have happened in war), but... even totally pro-Russian lebensraum fanatics agree that it was a nice setup.
Events from yesterday/Sunday, if someone forgot.

P.S.
Really helps when you know Russian (and that allows understanding Ukrainian too). Too bad most of the good information is in the far righter/military pages, where I have to filter out the open crap about how hohli/hinziri/nazis/banderas/fascists are going to get it now.

Reading. Is. Really. Fucking. Hard. Apparently.

Don't compare me to Shalcker when you're the one attacking a strawman.

I really do not care about your annoyances and I will compare you with whomever I want.

But if you compare it to the 300-400 Billion they make a year, 10 billion is really nothing though :/ (According to Wiki)

They loose a boatload of future money which is not going to come now. And Russia does need that sweet sweet EUR.

[Elegiac]

I really do not care about your annoyances and I will compare you with whomever I want.

That's nice, still doesn't change your little kneejerk being based on a strawman. Which you're not refuting, so I'll assume you're just conceding it and trying to save face - just like Putain's attempt at a false flag in Ukraine, how about that!

[Gimlix]

In more interesting news - Ukraine announced 10km exclusion zone at the frontline in Donbas and has started at least partial mobilization. Seems they waited until the very end, as reports of army equipment moving are coming in pretty much only now.
It also looks like both sides are heavily shooting at each other (and I do not mean Russian forces, I mean Ukraine vs LDNR), more than what could be attributed to false flag propaganda and certainly more than Kiev's official position. Sorry, but reality sucks.

AA is also being deployed on both sides. I think this is it, chances are it will start this week. Will they stop at regional borders, though...?

As per Biden NATO will keep arming Ukraine now and is reinforcing NATO's eastern flank - Poland and Baltics (F-35's and additional battalions of troops). Nothing about Romania for now.

Speaking about false flags - seems they even found a body to burn in BTR (probably some dead hobo as per guesses) to make a Donetskwood production video about Ukrainian "attack". Similar guesses are made about the 2x BMP's destroyed in Russia after Ukrainian "incursion".
They technically are not impossible things (funnier things have happened in war), but... even totally pro-Russian lebensraum fanatics agree that it was a nice setup.
Events from yesterday/Sunday, if someone forgot.

P.S.
Really helps when you know Russian (and that allows understanding Ukrainian too). Too bad most of the good information is in the far righter/military pages, where I have to filter out the open crap about how hohli/hinziri/nazis/banderas/fascists are going to get it now.



I really do not care about your annoyances and I will compare you with whomever I want.



They loose a boatload of future money which is not going to come now. And Russia does need that sweet sweet EUR.

It still feels like they need to be hit alot harder, anything western related has to be cut off, they rely more on us then we on them.
Also who knows what happens next once Ukraine falls? I wonder how bloody it will be and how honorable on each side.

[beanman12345]

I really do not care about your annoyances and I will compare you with whomever I want.

Rofl, Reading really is hard eh?

[Corvus]

Those BMPs Russia claimed to have destroyed? Russia is so inept they used a model that Ukraine has never had or used.

[Gimlix]

Those BMPs Russia claimed to have destroyed? Russia is so inept they used a model that Ukraine has never had or used.

That's just sad, anything to start a war and not look bad.

[Kokolums]

And they'd be about as useful as they are when some right wing twat with a gun shoots a bunch of people in the US.

There is no course of action for us to take now. The die has been cast. Prayers are all we have. My plan was to generate discourse to stop civil war (and all wars could be included). Instead, people slandered me and said I wanted civil war and banned me and banned all discussion. Now we have war. We can talk about it, but it is too late to stop it. Nice going, mmoc.