Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Poopymonster]

Must be a very relief-filled emotion. FINALLY, people see...

Russian culture will be just fine, I'll enjoy Tschaikovski and so on despite of what the orcs do. But fuck this new Russia, fuck it to deepest pits of hell, destroy it, ALL OF IT. Disband the terrorist state into smaller nations, it's original peoples who got subjugated...Which in turn should be welcomed to civilization, if they agree with the values of not pillaging-raping-murdering.

I now understand this simple discussion I had with someone in WoW, from Tatarstan.



I did not realize it back then.

But back to the bridge topic - Russia claimed the bridge is in normal use, but they for some reason, asked truck drivers to use the ferry across the water...I would heed that request, sounds like the bridge collapses the moment anything heavy uses it. Let us hope this truly was the beginning, as Ukraine said.

Sink the ferries!

[Saradain]

Sink the ferries!

Would be something, also means any tourists would be stuck (maybe?) in the peninsula...Makes a dilemma really, since it may as well carry civilians, orcish ones or not. Shit tons of bombardment in the vicinity so it goes out of business and puts the fear of retribution in the russians?

Can't really give warning shots for an eternity, either get the fucking hint russians in Crimea, or die.

[Slant]

Would be something, also means any tourists would be stuck (maybe?) in the peninsula...Makes a dilemma really, since it may as well carry civilians, orcish ones or not. Shit tons of bombardment in the vicinity so it goes out of business and puts the fear of retribution in the russians?

Can't really give warning shots for an eternity, either get the fucking hint russians in Crimea, or die.

Warning shots are ineffective. The warning shot should be into a target so the others take the warning.

[Saradain]

Apparently, to add, the truck with the alleged bombs was inspected and nothing was found.

Telegram link: https://t.me/mash_na_volne/2154

I don't know which one is funnier, russians themselves wanting the bridge to get fucked...or like many videoclips of the explosion already say - the explosion was indeed done by Ukraine. I'm guessing the latter.

[Gabriel]

I'll be honest, I was in the faction that defended the strategy of appeasement, because even fruitless talking seemed the better alternative. Now that it obviously has failed, I have done my duty and can go full asshole on Russia. God knows I've taken enough shit trying to see reason in diplomacy. But I am not one not to learn from mistakes. We'll try the other option now. Fuck 'em hard, no mercy.

Must be a very relief-filled emotion. FINALLY, people see...

Not gonna be humble about this; I've been pretty smug lately seeing all the more moderate people turn to the dark side. Almost makes it worth having to deal with the trolls for so long.

Makes me sad that not everyone of us lived to see this day un-perma'd.

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Apparently, to add, the truck with the alleged bombs was inspected and nothing was found.

Telegram link: https://t.me/mash_na_volne/2154

I don't know which one is funnier, russians themselves wanting the bridge to get fucked...or like many videoclips of the explosion already say - the explosion was indeed done by Ukraine. I'm guessing the latter.

My guess is that Ukrainian intelligence simply caught wind of ongoing smuggling operation by ruskies, slipped in their cargo with the contraband and the inspection officers that were in the original smuggling operation simply waved it pass.

...or they directly paid the inspection officers to look the other way saying it was illegal goods.

[Saradain]

Not gonna be humble about this; I've been pretty smug lately seeing all the more moderate people turn to the dark side. Almost makes it worth having to deal with the trolls for so long.

Makes me sad that not everyone of us lived to see this day un-perma'd.

We cannot wish harm on other posters here. So let us give them our most sincerest blessings.

May they contribute to the glory of their nation. May they stand steadfast, invincible and unbroken against the HIMARS hellfire. May their passing grow the most beautiful, ever-radiant sunflower fields, to mark the sites of great last stands with history, to echo for the ages.

[Nymrohd]

Would be something, also means any tourists would be stuck (maybe?) in the peninsula...Makes a dilemma really, since it may as well carry civilians, orcish ones or not. Shit tons of bombardment in the vicinity so it goes out of business and puts the fear of retribution in the russians?

Can't really give warning shots for an eternity, either get the fucking hint russians in Crimea, or die.

Someone who visits Crimea as a tourist right now is just asking to be given the Darwin award

[Makabreska]

Someone who visits Crimea as a tourist right now is just asking to be given the Darwin award

Think most of them left month ago when bombardment started. Loved how all these tourists scurried.

[Gabriel]

Apparently there is troop movement in Belarus. Let's see if Putler Lite actually plans on joining the fray.

[Saradain]

Apparently there is troop movement in Belarus. Let's see if Putler Lite actually plans on joining the fray.

Can we have a defensive pact from any Ukraine-neighbouring nation, with Ukraine, only vs Belarus if they choose to invade Ukraine?

...I know the polish people thirst for war, with all their Article 5 memeing

Would really help tighten the noose around Putin if his little pet gets "removed" from power.

[Iphie]

Apparently there is troop movement in Belarus. Let's see if Putler Lite actually plans on joining the fray.

Eh, they've given a note to the Ukrainian ambassador where they blame Ukraine for building up troops to attack Belarus.

I guess that could count as a fake Casus Belli.

@Saradain well tbh if Belarus attacks that seems a given. (The removing that is.)

[Gorsameth]

Belarus attacking after pretty publicly refusing to do so when Russia looked to actually be doing ok, or holding on. To instead move in when their defeat seems inevitable would be such a weird move.

I don't see it. And I would suspect there to be a lot of public communication from the US telling them to stay out if there were serious preparations being made.

[Breccia]

Apparently there is troop movement in Belarus. Let's see if Putler Lite actually plans on joining the fray.

I really hope not. Regardless of what Putin is offering, I can't imagine anyone looking at the current situation and saying "Oh yeah, I want to get in on the losing side of this!" I'm fully aware it's not that simple, but it should be clear to everyone that Russia is sending in people they don't care about dying. When they turn to Belarus and say "why don't you give it a try" it should be insulting. It should be clear Putin is asking for Belarussians to die instead of "real Russians" and the offer should be rejected hard.

In other news, Former top US military officer says Putin is ‘a cornered animal’

Former Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mike Mullen on Sunday said Russian President Vladimir Putin is a “cornered animal” after mounting losses in Ukraine and is becoming “more and more dangerous” to the world.

Mullen told ABC’s “This Week” host Martha Raddatz the U.S. should take Putin’s nuclear threats seriously, saying the Russian leader has “lots of options” available to deploy tactical or smaller-scale nuclear weapons.

“He’s a cornered … animal and I think he’s [become] more and more dangerous,” the retired U.S. Navy admiral said. “I think we have to take him seriously and think through what the requirements would be to respond to that. It also speaks to the need to get to the table.”

"His bunker? Um...about this big, I guess?"

Last week, Biden warned of “Armageddon” and cautioned the U.S. to take the Russian leader’s threats seriously.

Mullen on Sunday said Biden’s remarks were not helpful and his administration should focus on dealing with the crisis.

“We need to back off that a little bit and do everything we possibly can to try to get back to the table to resolve this,” the retired admiral said.

So, the appeasement narrative is everywhere. But the fact of the matter is that Putin is a murderer, likely a madman, possibly dying, and US involvement doesn't have to be the thing that sets him off. He also will not accept anything at the "table" other than to keep his illegally-annexed part of a sovereign country. If "he has nukes" was enough to do that, the US should just, you know, take Central America. I mean, at that point, why not? If people are that worried that Putin will use nukes because his penis-bridge was cut off, they should be really worried that Biden would just claim Mexico to deprive Trump of a campaign issue.

[Corvus]

Apparently there is troop movement in Belarus. Let's see if Putler Lite actually plans on joining the fray.

Putler is desperate to get Luka involved to try and open a second front. Luka is only on power after Russia sent in troops to crush protests after luka stole the last election and putler is no doubt trying to use that as leverage.

The problem is that the belarusians don't want to get involved. Russian officers were put in charge of the Belarusian army to try and get around that. No one has tried to see if it works yet.

And if the Belarusians started protesting again, which going to war might trigger, putler is a bit too bogged down to get involved.

Lukashenko's best bet is to make vague promises but do nothing. Which is what he has been doing.

[The Stormbringer]

Couldn't NATO, or any of its members, just crush Belarus if they try to join in? It's not Russia after all.

[Iphie]

Couldn't NATO, or any of its members, just crush Belarus if they try to join in? It's not Russia after all.

Eh...art. 4 of the CSTO might be invoked in that case. But in theory, yes, like a bug.

[Gorsameth]

Couldn't NATO, or any of its members, just crush Belarus if they try to join in? It's not Russia after all.

Russia or not, I don't think anyone is looking to physically get involved themselves.

But yes in general they would probably be less cautious.

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Eh...art. 4 of the CSTO might be invoked in that case. But in theory, yes, like a bug.

Yeah... CSTO is dead. Russia can't afford another front and the other nations are not going to honour it after Russia already ignored it mere weeks ago.

[Iphie]

Russia or not, I don't think anyone is looking to physically get involved themselves.

But yes in general they would probably be less cautious.

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Yeah... CSTO is dead. Russia can't afford another front and the other nations are not going to honour it after Russia already ignored it mere weeks ago.

It's dead, yes, but that doesn't mean russia wouldn't use it to do stupid things.

It's more a: "don't forget this officially still exists.", The other countries won't interfere, but russia hasn't been the smartest lately.

[Ripster42]

I completely failed to come up with a dictionary result, that would confirm the term explicitly means territorial concessions, and entire countries at that. You must be much wiser, and able to quote a dictionary saying that?

I seemed to find that it as a matter of fact can mean more than simply territorial concessions, such as material or political. Now, if one has every right to ask for say, 100 billion in damages caused, is it appeasement to forgo that, in order to not anger the hostile party any longer (thus hoping to avoid conflict)?

Oh, clearly not. It's all of Ukraine or nothing, right?

Restoring uke's borders isn't appeasement. Forgoing reparations in this case wouldn't be appeasement. It wouldn't be to prevent hostilities from the current RF gov't, which is supposedly the gov't you're 'appeasing'. Ceding uke territory would be appeasement, b/c that would allow the current RF gov't enough material for the domestic media to spin into a win, enough that the current RF gov't could probably maintain power. W/out that, the RF gov't probably isn't going to exist as presently constituted in a few years. You can't really appease gov'ts that don't exist yet.

Peace deals that end in a white peace aren't what's referred to as appeasement. There's literally a completely different name for it.

It's weird you say "all or nothing" though, when I clearly stated

Like europe did before ww2 with the sudetenland

[Azadina]

Restoring uke's borders isn't appeasement.

Correct. No one said it is, so what are you on about? Any word on the quote about earlier btw?

Forgoing reparations in this case wouldn't be appeasement.

False. It definitely is, when that was for the purpose of hoping it will soothe the terroruskies into not becoming hostile again.

It wouldn't be to prevent hostilities from the current RF gov't, which is supposedly the gov't you're 'appeasing'.

Completely pants on fire false, and the complete opposite of what the other person said it would be for. Don't lie this poorly, ok?

Ceding uke territory would be appeasement

True, and that sums up any conversation to be had about the fate of Crimea, before anyone thinks twice about it.

b/c that would allow the current RF gov't enough material for the domestic media to spin into a win, enough that the current RF gov't could probably maintain power. W/out that, the RF gov't probably isn't going to exist as presently constituted in a few years. You can't really appease gov'ts that don't exist yet.

So, something something future maybe ruski government not the current one, therefore something something no appeasement can be? That hypothetical has about fuck all to do with whether trying to appease current ruski government can be called appeasement or not. None.