1. #24721
    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    Couldn't NATO, or any of its members, just crush Belarus if they try to join in? It's not Russia after all.
    Russia or not, I don't think anyone is looking to physically get involved themselves.

    But yes in general they would probably be less cautious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Eh...art. 4 of the CSTO might be invoked in that case. But in theory, yes, like a bug.
    Yeah... CSTO is dead. Russia can't afford another front and the other nations are not going to honour it after Russia already ignored it mere weeks ago.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    Russia or not, I don't think anyone is looking to physically get involved themselves.

    But yes in general they would probably be less cautious.

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    Yeah... CSTO is dead. Russia can't afford another front and the other nations are not going to honour it after Russia already ignored it mere weeks ago.
    It's dead, yes, but that doesn't mean russia wouldn't use it to do stupid things.

    It's more a: "don't forget this officially still exists.", The other countries won't interfere, but russia hasn't been the smartest lately.

  3. #24723
    Quote Originally Posted by Azadina View Post
    I completely failed to come up with a dictionary result, that would confirm the term explicitly means territorial concessions, and entire countries at that. You must be much wiser, and able to quote a dictionary saying that?

    I seemed to find that it as a matter of fact can mean more than simply territorial concessions, such as material or political. Now, if one has every right to ask for say, 100 billion in damages caused, is it appeasement to forgo that, in order to not anger the hostile party any longer (thus hoping to avoid conflict)?

    Oh, clearly not. It's all of Ukraine or nothing, right?
    Restoring uke's borders isn't appeasement. Forgoing reparations in this case wouldn't be appeasement. It wouldn't be to prevent hostilities from the current RF gov't, which is supposedly the gov't you're 'appeasing'. Ceding uke territory would be appeasement, b/c that would allow the current RF gov't enough material for the domestic media to spin into a win, enough that the current RF gov't could probably maintain power. W/out that, the RF gov't probably isn't going to exist as presently constituted in a few years. You can't really appease gov'ts that don't exist yet.

    Peace deals that end in a white peace aren't what's referred to as appeasement. There's literally a completely different name for it.

    It's weird you say "all or nothing" though, when I clearly stated
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    Like europe did before ww2 with the sudetenland
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  4. #24724
    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    Restoring uke's borders isn't appeasement.
    Correct. No one said it is, so what are you on about? Any word on the quote about earlier btw?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    Forgoing reparations in this case wouldn't be appeasement.
    False. It definitely is, when that was for the purpose of hoping it will soothe the terroruskies into not becoming hostile again.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    It wouldn't be to prevent hostilities from the current RF gov't, which is supposedly the gov't you're 'appeasing'.
    Completely pants on fire false, and the complete opposite of what the other person said it would be for. Don't lie this poorly, ok?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    Ceding uke territory would be appeasement
    True, and that sums up any conversation to be had about the fate of Crimea, before anyone thinks twice about it.
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    b/c that would allow the current RF gov't enough material for the domestic media to spin into a win, enough that the current RF gov't could probably maintain power. W/out that, the RF gov't probably isn't going to exist as presently constituted in a few years. You can't really appease gov'ts that don't exist yet.
    So, something something future maybe ruski government not the current one, therefore something something no appeasement can be? That hypothetical has about fuck all to do with whether trying to appease current ruski government can be called appeasement or not. None.
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    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

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    millennials were the kids of the 9/11 survivors.

  5. #24725
    Quote Originally Posted by Azadina View Post
    False. It definitely is, when that was for the purpose of hoping it will soothe the terroruskies into not becoming hostile again.
    Again, no. It's not for the purpose of hoping it'll soothe russians. It's because whatever gov't comes next isn't this gov't. Once again, it's literally called a "white peace". It's almost as if I linked the definition for you.
    Completely pants on fire false, and the complete opposite of what the other person said it would be for. Don't lie this poorly, ok?
    I don't care what someone, not me, said. It's not appeasement. Don't call me shirly.
    So, something something future maybe ruski government not the current one, therefore something something no appeasement can be? That hypothetical has about fuck all to do with whether trying to appease current ruski government can be called appeasement or not. None.
    You can just say you don't understand reality. Maybe, as you previously said, you should focus on your job and personal life. It's healthier for you that way.

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    My recommendation for people who are unable to handle global events and happenings: focus on your job and personal life. Better leave the big events for people who can handle them.

    It's healthier for you that way.
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  6. #24726
    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    Again, no. It's not for the purpose of hoping it'll soothe russians. It's because whatever gov't comes next isn't this gov't. Once again, it's literally called a "white peace". It's almost as if I linked the definition for you.


    I don't care what someone, not me, said. It's not appeasement. Don't call me shirly.

    You can just say you don't understand reality. Maybe, as you previously said, you should focus on your job and personal life. It's healthier for you that way.
    Something about not playing chess with pigeons and stuff comes to mind. This is the part where you shat on the board and flipped it. Maybe if you didn't care about the posts to which I originally responded to, you should have said so immediately. I would have known not to even bother trying to argue the word, since all you've done is use your own imaginary definitions for it, rather than what I originally used it for.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epigramx View Post
    millennials were the kids of the 9/11 survivors.

  7. #24727
    Quote Originally Posted by Azadina View Post
    Something about not playing chess with pigeons and stuff comes to mind. This is the part where you shat on the board and flipped it. Maybe if you didn't care about the posts to which I originally responded to, you should have said so immediately. I would have known not to even bother trying to argue the word, since all you've done is use your own imaginary definitions for it, rather than what I originally used it for.
    Believe me, I've been thinking the same thing. It's not my imaginary definition, it's the way the term is historically used and, in this situation, there is, again, literally a completely different word for it, that I've linked the definition for.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rudol Von Stroheim View Post
    I do not need to play the role of "holier than thou". I'm above that..

  8. #24728
    The Russian terrorist state has launched missile strikes at Kyiv for the first time in months. No doubt in reply to the bridge strike.

    Lviv was hit as well. In Kyiv it seems the strike hit the university just as students were going to class.

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    Add Dnipro to the list. Sounds like tehy are just firing missiles randomly into the cities to try and cause death and destruction. No obvious military targets.
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  9. #24729
    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Sounds like tehy are just firing missiles randomly into the cities to try and cause death and destruction. No obvious military targets.
    Shit country cannot fairly engage military targets. Nothing new here.

    That shithole really needs to be totally destroyed economically so that they cannot function for the next 50 years atleast.
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  10. #24730
    Russians : we could use our munitions on strategic objectives or to support our troops on the front line, but we prefer to attack civilians.

    Vile cunts. Did this in Syria too.

    Hopefully Ukraine wipes every Russian fighter off the map.

  11. #24731
    List now seems to be Kyiv, Dnipro, Khmelnytsky, Zhytomyr, Lviv, Ternopil, Kremenchuk and Poltava. I expect that might increase.

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    If this is their response to a so called "red line" they might as well give up as Ukraine isn't going to stop, nor will it be bullied into submission.

  13. #24733
    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    If this is their response to a so called "red line" they might as well give up as Ukraine isn't going to stop, nor will it be bullied into submission.
    What did you think it was going to be? Their response to everything is "kill and rape civilians". Orks gonna ork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    What did you think it was going to be? Their response to everything is "kill and rape civilians". Orks gonna ork.
    Eh, they could have grabbed bigger booms theoretically. I guess I'm trying to say: if this is as big as they dare to go then Ukraine will weather it and continue the fight. I can't really put to words what I want to say, English can be so lacking. (Also intonation gets lost in writing.)

    Hope you sorta understand what I'm trying to say.

  15. #24735
    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    Believe me, I've been thinking the same thing. It's not my imaginary definition, it's the way the term is historically used and, in this situation, there is, again, literally a completely different word for it, that I've linked the definition for.
    A lot of words to say "no u!".
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epigramx View Post
    millennials were the kids of the 9/11 survivors.

  16. #24736
    Strikes are still ongoing. Zelensky has told people to stay in bomb shelters for now.

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    They are using their limited supply of cruise missiles en masse to target symbolic non-military targets, probably for domestic purposes.

    https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1...ya3eBB6qWcFaWg

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    I think it's time NATO starts giving Ukraine some long range missiles, and I mean LONG range missiles, russia needs to be punished with a long range missile strike everytime they do this.
    “A man will contend for a false faith stronger than he will a true one,” he observes. “The truth defends itself, but a falsehood must be defended by its adherents: first to prove it to themselves and secondly, that they may appear right in the estimation of their friends.”
    -The Acts of Pilate.

  18. #24738
    ukraine should bang back, total war means total war.

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    Ukraine should fire upon RuZZia cities now tbh

  20. #24740
    Ukraine says 75 missiles have been fired so far. They claim to have shot down 41 but that leaves a lot that got through even if their claims are true.

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