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    It's been obvious the Ukrainians were winning for a while now - this is the final nail in the coffin.

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    Some people have been saying putin shouldn't be humiliated. Well, guess what, blowing up his pride and joy and a symbol of Russian imperialism on his birthday is the ultimate humiliation.

    While Russia hasn't blamed Ukraine, and may never do, just as with the Moskva, in the next few day expect a major terrorist strike in retaliation.

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    Happy birthday, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin <3

    From Ukraine, with love

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    It's been obvious the Ukrainians were winning for a while now - this is the final nail in the coffin.

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    Some people have been saying putin shouldn't be humiliated. Well, guess what, blowing up his pride and joy and a symbol of Russian imperialism on his birthday is the ultimate humiliation.

    While Russia hasn't blamed Ukraine, and may never do, just as with the Moskva, in the next few day expect a major terrorist strike in retaliation.
    I think you need to distinguish between humiliated on the field of battle and humiliation afterwards during whatever negotiations for whatever you wanna call it.

    I don't care about him being humiliated on the battlefield, but afterwards I do care about restraint when it comes to dealing with russia. (I have no illusions we will deal with putin, his position is becoming more untenable by the day.)

    It may a irrelevant distinction for some but I don't see it as irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellhamster View Post
    Holy shit I never saw a Ukraine victory as a possibility. This might just do it.
    We've said it since day 3 of the war. Once it was clear that Russia couldn't take Kyiv and that the West is considering arming Ukraine, it was clear that Ukraine would prevail. Of course, there were a lot of naysayers back then. And some misguided Putinistas as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    I think you need to distinguish between humiliated on the field of battle and humiliation afterwards during whatever negotiations for whatever you wanna call it.

    I don't care about him being humiliated on the battlefield, but afterwards I do care about restraint when it comes to dealing with russia. (I have no illusions we will deal with putin, his position is becoming more untenable by the day.)

    It may a irrelevant distinction for some but I don't see it as irrelevant.
    Nobody should be humiliated, ever.

    But Russia should feel maximum consequences, both on the battlefield and after. It's not about humiliation. It's about Russia abducting over 1.5 million Ukrainians and needing to feel the consequences. If that is humiliating, well don't fucking be a dick nation, hmm?

    Zero sympathy with Russia, zero regards for their sensitive feels. They should count themselves lucky the global community doesn't take the easy path and just deletes Russia, cos that shithole doesn't produce anything that could be considered a net positive to humanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post

    Zero sympathy with Russia, zero regards for their sensitive feels. They should count themselves lucky the global community doesn't take the easy path and just deletes Russia, cos that shithole doesn't produce anything that could be considered a net positive to humanity.
    Come now Slant, Russia has produced amazing culture, art, ballets, music and literature. That can't be erased. Their current insanity not withstanding.

    This does make me sometimes wonder how that happened, high culture on one side, complete troglodytes on the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Come now Slant, Russia has produced amazing culture, art, ballets, music and literature. That can't be erased. Their current insanity not withstanding.

    This does make me sometimes wonder how that happened, high culture on one side, complete troglodytes on the other.
    Ez answer. All the important stuff was created pre-revolution. Communists fucked up everything and left fucking up as their legacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Come now Slant, Russia has produced amazing culture, art, ballets, music and literature. That can't be erased. Their current insanity not withstanding.

    This does make me sometimes wonder how that happened, high culture on one side, complete troglodytes on the other.
    Agree on all points.
    Culturally, Russian artistry at all levels is worth noting...and saving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Ez answer. All the important stuff was created pre-revolution. Communists fucked up everything and left fucking up as their legacy.
    You are really going to erase e.g. Tarkovsky?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    You are really going to erase e.g. Tarkovsky?
    Hey, every dog has it's day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Hey, every dog has it's day.
    Just saying, maybe let's avoid being that ignorant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Just saying, maybe let's avoid being that ignorant.
    Not sure what are we even talking about here. Their culture is safe, no one is gonna invade them and start smashing museum exhibits or delete records. And no consequences of their aggression and atrocities will pose any harm to their heritage. Unfortunately, Russian general heritage post-soviet era is still one of blood and war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Not sure what are we even talking about here. Their culture is safe, no one is gonna invade them and start smashing museum exhibits or delete records. And no consequences of their aggression and atrocities will pose any harm to their heritage. Unfortunately, Russian general heritage post-soviet era is still one of blood and war.
    Europe's entire heritage up to WW2 is one of blood and war. And colonialism so theft and enslavement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Europe's entire heritage up to WW2 is one of blood and war. And colonialism so theft and enslavement.
    Again, what are we even talking about here? Does it make Russian atrocities any less bad? Are we not allowed to give them shit for it due to our history (also, speak for yourself with heritage of aggression and colonialism).
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    Ria Novosti claims there will be trains using the bridge later today.

    Here's hoping for a Neptune missile to destroy the bridge entirely, or the train using it (unlikely given Neptune is probably not meant for such targets). Or the bridge simply collapsing on its own. Or Russia is just more about words than actions.

    Hey, Crimea is a warzone, so it is on them if they choose to give Ukraine a free military target.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saradain View Post
    Ria Novosti claims there will be trains using the bridge later today.

    Here's hoping for a Neptune missile to destroy the bridge entirely, or the train using it (unlikely given Neptune is probably not meant for such targets). Or the bridge simply collapsing on its own. Or Russia is just more about words than actions.

    Hey, Crimea is a warzone, so it is on them if they choose to give Ukraine a free military target.
    Have you seen the state of those tracks? No way a trains running there any time soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veggie50 View Post
    Have you seen the state of those tracks? No way a trains running there any time soon.
    Yes, I have. But russians couldn't just admit they're fucked, so they brashly imagine the damage was insignificant. We'll see in 3 hours 20 minutes how their promise holds up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veggie50 View Post
    True… I suppose it’s a question who has better access to explosives, the Russian army or partisans…


    Yea… you got me there… i concede it’s probably partisans.
    to be fair, with how russians are just dropping supplies and running, its likely that it was partisans USING Russian army explosives
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veggie50 View Post
    Have you seen the state of those tracks? No way a trains running there any time soon.
    I wonder if any train using the tracks by later today is going to destroy the bridge completely. That kind of fire, I have to imagine, can't be good for the structural integrity of the tracks and the bridge itself. And yet I can easily imagine the people in charge being so afraid of appearing like they lost control of the situation that they would forgo any kind of serious inspection and rely on the bridge looking superficially fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladier View Post
    I wonder if any train using the tracks by later today is going to destroy the bridge completely. That kind of fire, I have to imagine, can't be good for the structural integrity of the tracks and the bridge itself. And yet I can easily imagine the people in charge being so afraid of appearing like they lost control of the situation that they would forgo any kind of serious inspection and rely on the bridge looking superficially fine.
    It goes beyond a safety issue though… the track literally got twisted, something trains can’t deal with…

    I’d be surprised if they can get the burnt out train off the track in short order, let alone let another train go by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veggie50 View Post
    It goes beyond a safety issue though… the track literally got twisted, something trains can’t deal with…

    I’d be surprised if they can get the burnt out train off the track in short order, let alone let another train go by.
    More than likely they'll save the cars still on good track and push off the ones they can't save into the water.

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