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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    I refuse to believe those nukes have been well-maintained. They're like to be more a threat to Russia itself...imagine most if not all falling back where they were fired from.
    That typed, I'm more inclined to believe that the military itself would refuse to use them since they would have to know what that would mean.
    Pretty sure they kept SOME in good condition. They are not this stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Pretty sure they kept SOME in good condition. They are not this stupid.
    Like they kept their tanks in good condition? Like they had a world leading anti-missile defence system?

    People have been stealing money from every level of the Russian military. It would be unbelievable if they hadn't been doing the same to the budget for maintaining the missiles. Especially bearing in mind how much money we're talking about.

    If they decided to start firing, I'd be more worried living in Russia than anywhere else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl View Post
    Like they kept their tanks in good condition? Like they had a world leading anti-missile defence system?

    People have been stealing money from every level of the Russian military. It would be unbelievable if they hadn't been doing the same to the budget for maintaining the missiles. Especially bearing in mind how much money we're talking about.

    If they decided to start firing, I'd be more worried living in Russia than anywhere else.
    Difference being Putin was quite hands off when it came to the conventional military. When it came to nuclear weapons though he was all in keeping it under his watchful eye. They are his pride and joy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    Eh, Europe has short term issues but in the longterm it's going to force them to diversify their energy portfolio and thus become less reliant on specific states, it's not like all the other energy rich states have such a great record when it comes to human rights.
    Europe also hopefully learns the lesson to be less reliant on the US when it comes to security and defense, if a certain someone had been (re)elected in 2020, i'm not sure if the US' support had been as big and the EU sure as shit couldn't compensate that.

    If Germany follows through with their plans to rebuilt their military, it's going to be the 3rd best funded military in the world, which could become a central compenent in EU defense strategy that doesn't rely on the US.

    EU will suffer, but in my view those are short term issues can be worked out and it can emerge more indepedent than before.

    Let's not forget that if Ukraine manages to reclaim all occupied lands (including Crimea), they can start tapping into the natural resources present there - and the EU would surely welcome a resource rich country that will almost certainly not fall to despotism within the next decades.

    As for China, as said, other nations will now think twice before making more deals with them because of the Tawain situation and once Russia is off table, all eyes will be on them.
    Russia distracting both EU and US is pretty beneficial for them, once that is gone, the US will turn their eyes towards the pacific.
    So lots of make believe fantasies... cute u said "diversify energy portfolio"..

    Now where are those hidden gas fields that can meet eu needs? Surely u don't think they are in ukraine..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    So lots of make believe fantasies... cute u said "diversify energy portfolio"..

    Now where are those hidden gas fields that can meet eu needs? Surely u don't think they are in ukraine..
    Crimea. You know, the stolen land that is definitely not immune from consequences. Even if you think "Ukraine can't win although they literally are right now".

    You call realism fantasies, but feign worry for your fellow citizens while celebrating Russia murdering ukrainians. You know, the civilians that have no control over what is happening right now.

    Only reason you post what you post is, because you are not personally affected. If you were russian, you'd be RUNNING. Like several hundred thousands already did

    Very successful war for russians. They are "holding back", yet need 300k+ new meat shields for their "meager 6k losses". While several times more people fled and keep fleeing.

    You only appear when Russia murders civilians, and vanish when Russia gets pounded to hell. Wonder why is that? Sure, the thread is just "boring" for you, since people cheering for Russia keep getting send to a forum vacation in increasing supply...

    EDIT: Also on top of that, Europe largely can meet its energy needs already, and getting off the Russian gas tit is nothing but beneficial

    Since you believe EU would somehow be freezing in winter due lack of gas...While Finland for example, gets 100% of its gas from Russia (no more), ONLY 10% of finnish households actually use gas as a method for heating.

    So much for entire population freezing huh? Ez pz, just change the method of heating, very feasible feat in Finland at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    Nah, this thread bores me...
    Honestly you should post more often, your posts are like a weird good luck charm.

    Because the last time you showed up with some 'But Russia's gonna clap back at any moment guys!' copium, Ukraine carved out hundreds of miles of its own territory back from poorly trained goons and severely damaged Russia's main land route into Crimea and rendered it functionally inoperable without serious repairs.

    So maybe now that you're in here gloating about all the noncombatants Russia's murdering with cruise missiles because they're too piss-baby to actually retaliate against real military infrastructure, we'll be seeing more successful eastern advances as Ukraine encounters more poorly equipped, poorly fed, and poorly clothed forced conscripts. And then we can continue to enjoy the online meltdown between Delusional Tankies and Cool-Aid swiggin' Ruskies(and Ruskie apologists) who don't understand why their shitty logistics and poorly equipped/trained fighting force are getting their shit canned by Ukrainians armed with the West's military leftovers.

    So, please, stick around

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    I see there is little effort to moderate this thread?
    So you have a problem with people hypothetically harming Russians but absolutely no problem with people who in reality are killing Ukrainians?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    I said it in the past, ru shouldn't be called a bear, but a turtle. It fights reluctantly n slow. They have been dragging their feet since 2014.
    Reluctantly? They have been so eager to rape and pillage the have literally been raping their own conscripts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    Reluctantly? They have been so eager to rape and pillage the have literally been raping their own conscripts.
    ruZZki copium is pretty powerful

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    I think Zelenskyy/Ukraine fumbled their momentum, are going to face blowback from it. Saying they wouldn't go to the negotiating table was stupid. Forgetting that they are being carried by the aide of other nations fighting a proxy war against Russia was stupid. Russia went into the fight with its pants down, but they still have guns, bombs, and ammo they haven't used yet and winter is coming. One of the things said during at the beginning of the war there's no way Russia would do a long/full campaign because winter was ending at the time, their military is tailored for fighting on the hard Eastern European winter ground and (obviously) does poorly in the softer ground of spring. Will it cost Ukraine the 'war'? Probably not. Did they lose some bargaining power? Absolutely.

    Thinking you don't have to sit at any negotiating table is just wild. Wars end in two ways, annihilation or a brokered cease-fire/surrender.

    The Crimea bridge incident was wreckless. The term 'burning bridges' describes tactical fuckups for good reason. It's a form of retaliation that escalates the war up a notch.

    Its like the groundhog saw its shadow, and now we have 6 more months of this conflict. It seems like the general public has moved past popular support for the war, so it will be interesting to if that will impact the kind of aide Ukraine reserves during the backend of the war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    I think Zelenskyy/Ukraine fumbled their momentum, are going to face blowback from it. Saying they wouldn't go to the negotiating table was stupid. Forgetting that they are being carried by the aide of other nations fighting a proxy war against Russia was stupid. Russia went into the fight with its pants down, but they still have guns, bombs, and ammo they haven't used yet and winter is coming. One of the things said during at the beginning of the war there's no way Russia would do a long/full campaign because winter was ending at the time, their military is tailored for fighting on the hard Eastern European winter ground and (obviously) does poorly in the softer ground of spring. Will it cost Ukraine the 'war'? Probably not. Did they lose some bargaining power? Absolutely.

    Thinking you don't have to sit at any negotiating table is just wild. Wars end in two ways, annihilation or a brokered cease-fire/surrender.

    The Crimea bridge incident was wreckless. The term 'burning bridges' describes tactical fuckups for good reason. It's a form of retaliation that escalates the war up a notch.

    Its like the groundhog saw its shadow, and now we have 6 more months of this conflict. It seems like the general public has moved past popular support for the war, so it will be interesting to if that will impact the kind of aide Ukraine reserves during the backend of the war.
    What kind of negotiations you reckon there can be with Russia, with their main goal of killing 100% of the ukrainian population, culture, cities, EVERYTHING? Russia is going for annihilation. Can't negotiate with that.

    At this point it's like having a seat with Nazi Germany and agreeing they are free to pursue the eradication of the jewish people. Russia does not even try to aim at military targets, it is purely a war of terror to kill everyone on the other side, to gain their land and resources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Thinking you don't have to sit at any negotiating table is just wild.
    Wild is committing sick warcrimes and then expecting the victim to play nice. Fuck ruZZia, no negotiations, ever.
    The west must be steadfast and united and annihilate the economy of that degenerate terrorist state for the next few decades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    I think Zelenskyy/Ukraine fumbled their momentum, are going to face blowback from it. Saying they wouldn't go to the negotiating table was stupid. Forgetting that they are being carried by the aide of other nations fighting a proxy war against Russia was stupid. Russia went into the fight with its pants down, but they still have guns, bombs, and ammo they haven't used yet and winter is coming. One of the things said during at the beginning of the war there's no way Russia would do a long/full campaign because winter was ending at the time, their military is tailored for fighting on the hard Eastern European winter ground and (obviously) does poorly in the softer ground of spring. Will it cost Ukraine the 'war'? Probably not. Did they lose some bargaining power? Absolutely.

    Thinking you don't have to sit at any negotiating table is just wild. Wars end in two ways, annihilation or a brokered cease-fire/surrender.
    As long as there are Russian troops on Ukrainian soil, there really aren't grounds for "negotiation". What you're talking about is "negotiated surrender", specifically, and Ukraine is not willing to surrender Ukraine.

    I'll also state that Crimea is part of Ukraine, in this context.

    The Crimea bridge incident was wreckless. The term 'burning bridges' describes tactical fuckups for good reason. It's a form of retaliation that escalates the war up a notch.
    No, the tactical issue with burning bridges is the potential you might need that bridge in the future. The bridge in question is only useful to Russia. It offers Ukraine no benefit. There is no negative to its destruction that Ukraine could potentially need to fear. The only possible use would be if they wished to use it to advance into Russia, via that bridge, and that's not what Ukraine's fighting for.

    Destroying bridges that benefit the enemy's ability to shift materiel is a long-standing military strategy that is highly effective and not in any respect a "fuck up".

    Its like the groundhog saw its shadow, and now we have 6 more months of this conflict. It seems like the general public has moved past popular support for the war, so it will be interesting to if that will impact the kind of aide Ukraine reserves during the backend of the war.
    Citation needed on any such lack of popular support. A cursory Google sure doesn't support it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    Is this a serious discussion? Medvedev repeated Rus nuclear doctrine, which is similiar as America's. No need to get worked up just cuz media wants to sell more news, more clicks.

    Oh, good morning to ukraine!
    Is this "good morning to Ukraine!" a reference to the morning terror bombing of civilians, or do you mean something else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    Is this "good morning to Ukraine!" a reference to the morning terror bombing of civilians, or do you mean something else?
    He means exactly the first one. Sick fuck that he is.

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    I mean unless you think Ukraine will be able to conquer all of Russia or cause a complete government collapse in Russia there will need to be some form of negotiated cease fire at the least. Hopefully this happens after Ukraine takes it's territory back tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canpinter View Post
    I mean unless you think Ukraine will be able to conquer all of Russia or cause a complete government collapse in Russia there will need to be some form of negotiated cease fire at the least. Hopefully this happens after Ukraine takes it's territory back tho.
    Obviously it comes after all stolen territory is regained, after which we can at least use the formality of requesting a negotiation table. Russia obviously will continue murdering civilians all the way, probably even during the said negotiations, and they will fail because of that.

    But once Ukraine is emptied of Nazi russians, we can send military troops there since Russia says there's no war, so it should be A-OKAY to have a vast military training exercise with NATO being the invited special guest.

    After that, if Russia wants to die really badly, even worse than now...Well, we'll see how much they wish to die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canpinter View Post
    I mean unless you think Ukraine will be able to conquer all of Russia or cause a complete government collapse in Russia there will need to be some form of negotiated cease fire at the least. Hopefully this happens after Ukraine takes it's territory back tho.
    Why would there need to be a ceasefire once they push Russia out of Ukraine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    I think Zelenskyy/Ukraine fumbled their momentum, are going to face blowback from it. Saying they wouldn't go to the negotiating table was stupid. Forgetting that they are being carried by the aide of other nations fighting a proxy war against Russia was stupid. Russia went into the fight with its pants down, but they still have guns, bombs, and ammo they haven't used yet and winter is coming. One of the things said during at the beginning of the war there's no way Russia would do a long/full campaign because winter was ending at the time, their military is tailored for fighting on the hard Eastern European winter ground and (obviously) does poorly in the softer ground of spring. Will it cost Ukraine the 'war'? Probably not. Did they lose some bargaining power? Absolutely.

    Thinking you don't have to sit at any negotiating table is just wild. Wars end in two ways, annihilation or a brokered cease-fire/surrender.

    The Crimea bridge incident was wreckless. The term 'burning bridges' describes tactical fuckups for good reason. It's a form of retaliation that escalates the war up a notch.

    Its like the groundhog saw its shadow, and now we have 6 more months of this conflict. It seems like the general public has moved past popular support for the war, so it will be interesting to if that will impact the kind of aide Ukraine reserves during the backend of the war.
    Lol no.

    Ukraine is just going to get more weapons with Putler bombing Kiev again.

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    The amount of videos I've seen russians run away and leave their wounded "comrades" behind is insane.

    Dying alone, face down in the freezing mud, thousands of miles from home after having your arm blown off fighting for a tiny little man who has spent his entire adult life raping his own people of every speck of wealth their country has and gifting it to his friends.

    They are fighting for so little purpose that they don't even respect each others sacrifices,they leave their wounded soldiers behind and run, Comrades? Not even close.

    russians are fucking ******.
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