Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Iphie]

I'm not arguing the legality of it, but the morality. You are probably right about the legality tho.

There's been libraries written about the mortality of this. The conclusion is still open. (Morality seems a bit fluid, ain't it grand.)

I don't disagree that you can question the morality of it but this is exactly why circumstances are important. Just you and me? Eh...you threatening to harm my child unless I do what you say? I'll comply, no questions asked, just don't hurt my kid. Am I an amoral person or a PoS? No, you just found the right buttons to push.

People are so quick to judge others when they don't know the circumstances that lead to their current situation.

I suspect that our opinions aren't too far apart, we just don't totally agree on the conclusion.

[Veggie50]

You're just playing defense for Nazis at this point, and it's both gross and wildly off-topic. I'm not engaging further.

While I agree with your initial point, this nazi tangent isn’t helping you much man =P

Sure, not all russians are causing the war. They do bear responsibility for it coming to pass though, even if they’re not the ones directly in charge.

Difference between being responsible, and being accountable.

[Corvus]

4 days on and, despite Russian propaganda, it seems there has still been no train traffic over the Kerch bridge. Which means next to no supplies for the southern front for Russia.

[Yunru]

4 days on and, despite Russian propaganda, it seems there has still been no train traffic over the Kerch bridge. Which means next to no supplies for the southern front for Russia.

No shit. There is no way to repair a damage in a single day. Its pretty sad that stupid national tv here reports this without checking the sources (but i mean my country is still run with old commines so yeah).

Makes you wonder if belarus placing soldiers to attack is true also. You just cant trust the media this days.

[Gabriel]

There's been libraries written about the mortality of this. The conclusion is still open. (Morality seems a bit fluid, ain't it grand.)

I don't disagree that you can question the morality of it but this is exactly why circumstances are important. Just you and me? Eh...you threatening to harm my child unless I do what you say? I'll comply, no questions asked, just don't hurt my kid. Am I an amoral person or a PoS? No, you just found the right buttons to push.

People are so quick to judge others when they don't know the circumstances that lead to their current situation.

I suspect that our opinions aren't too far apart, we just don't totally agree on the conclusion.

It is different story when you are protecting someone else. Just yourself tho? Not that murky.

[Pannonian]

While i'm getting being annoyed at Yuppie, maybe dial the virtue signaling back a bit?

Everyone who is not actively protesting Putin is a supporter of the war? Just fleeing the country is not enough? If you dont protest 24/7 after fleeing you're secretly for the war (compared to - idk - getting your life in a row AFTER FLEEING TO A FUCKING FOREIGN COUNTRY and leaving your ordered life behind???)

So i suppose all of you spouting this are writing from the battlefields in Ukraine where the serve as volunteers? I hope you follow the morals you measure others with.

[Ripster42]

Just fleeing the country is not enough?

For a lot of people this is fine. But we've had at least one poster here who came crying about how they had to flee russia because of mobilization, when for the previous several years they'd been openly supporting the RF's war in ukraine. Fleeing the country doesn't mean you don't support RF's atrocities.

[Pannonian]

For a lot of people this is fine. But we've had at least one poster here who came crying about how they had to flee russia because of mobilization, when for the previous several years they'd been openly supporting the RF's war in ukraine. Fleeing the country doesn't mean you don't support RF's atrocities.

Mhm, i'd argue this depends - if they flee their country, and maybe only started due to recent events to inform themselves with non-russian sources and they see their former home for what it is... fine; if they flee just because they don't want to fight themselves, but continue to cheer the russian forces on? Yeah fuck them and send them back.

[Iphie]

Mhm, i'd argue this depends - if they flee their country, and maybe only started due to recent events to inform themselves with non-russian sources and they see their former home for what it is... fine; if they flee just because they don't want to fight themselves, but continue to cheer the russian forces on? Yeah fuck them and send them back.

The mentioned poster very much falls in the latter category.

[Saradain]

Mhm, i'd argue this depends - if they flee their country, and maybe only started due to recent events to inform themselves with non-russian sources and they see their former home for what it is... fine; if they flee just because they don't want to fight themselves, but continue to cheer the russian forces on? Yeah fuck them and send them back.

The particular poster in question was all about "kill all gay people with fire" while smileyfacing how Ukraine was already getting raped since 2014. Don't think any non-russian sources can fix him. So yeah, sure as hell was fucking funny to see him cry about borders closing from russians when he was all gung-ho about genociding innocents...until the cause required his service

Unfortunately we, non-russians, cannot fix russian goverment from here, hence why people attribute that duty to the russian citizens themselves. And russians being ironically and genetically so obedient towards their oppressors is why their country has a very low chance of ever reforming.

[zealo]

4 days on and, despite Russian propaganda, it seems there has still been no train traffic over the Kerch bridge. Which means next to no supplies for the southern front for Russia.

They'll likely need to replace the bridge span subject to the fuel fire entirely to restore full operation safely, that's an operation that will take months.

Capacity through that has been severely compromised for a significant amount of time, which obviously isn't good for Russia.

[Iphie]

Speaking of the Kerch Bridge russia detains 8: 5 russians and 3 Ukrainian and Armenian citizens

[Saradain]

Speaking of the Kerch Bridge russia detains 8: 5 russians and 3 Ukrainian and Armenian citizens

But but I thought it was a suicide bomber?? How did they detain a dead guy, who multiplied into 8 people?

Some propaganda just doesn't hold up

[Corvus]

That was fast even by trumped up FSB charges standards. The hilarious part is they are said to have smuggled the bomb out of Ukraine, through Bulgaria, Armenia and Georgia and then into Russia and then through the X-ray machine at the bridge which seems far too convoluted when they could just have bribed any russian army base for the explosives and saved a lot of time.

I wonder if this lot have upgraded to SIMS 4.

[Lanrefni]

But but I thought it was a suicide bomber?? How did they detain a dead guy, who multiplied into 8 people?

Some propaganda just doesn't hold up

I'm starting to lean towards it having a been a false flag event to give Putin the cover he needs to send in all the conscripts and Zapp Brannigan the war,sending hundreds of thousands of minority conscripts in to be butchered would be very on brand for Russia.

[Corvus]

russia is now breaking out 1980s soviet era radios and 1950s field telephones.

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1...J0E6HE2Dqgv3iw

[Saradain]

I'm starting to lean towards it having a been a false flag event to give Putin the cover he needs to send in all the conscripts and Zapp Brannigan the war,sending hundreds of thousands of minority conscripts in to be butchered would be very on brand for Russia.

Whatever kills the most orcish invaders, the better. Just funny to see same posters making absurd claims with nothing to back them up. Broken records everywhere...

But hey, the plot thickens - Armenia being a member in Russia's failure of a pact, wonder if there's something behind the scenes vs Armenia here.

[Iphie]

But but I thought it was a suicide bomber?? How did they detain a dead guy, who multiplied into 8 people?

Some propaganda just doesn't hold up

You don't say.

But yeah, that route is hilarious, Ukraine ->Bulgaria->Armenia->Georgia ->russia-> back towards Ukraine....

Edit: Armenia and Azerbaijan are currently kissing and making up, saying they respect each others sovereignty and territorial integrity. (Betcha they still hate eachother but are, correctly, identifying russia as a much bigger threat.)

[Poopymonster]

The problem is IF the west would send help, that help would be used by the regime saying "look the west wants to kill us all and invade us"

Again. You forgot the "again".
We've seen the consequences of the West replacing regimes in the Middle East.
Best example of long term I can think of is Iran coup d'etat in 1953, which led to Iranian Revolution 1978.
All the successful/unsuccessful recent ones like Desert Shield/Storm, ̶f̶i̶n̶i̶s̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶w̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶d̶a̶d̶d̶y̶ ̶s̶t̶a̶r̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶p̶l̶e̶a̶s̶e̶ ̶l̶o̶v̶e̶ ̶m̶e̶ ̶d̶a̶d̶d̶y̶ ̶ Iraqi Freedom, and Global War on Terror STILL have consequences we're watching unfold as we speak.
Blatant government backed Islamophobia doesn't help either.
But this all OT.

[Nymrohd]

They'll likely need to replace the bridge span subject to the fuel fire entirely to restore full operation safely, that's an operation that will take months.

Capacity through that has been severely compromised for a significant amount of time, which obviously isn't good for Russia.

While I don't think it was intentional, several damage to infrastructure can often be more costly and time consuming to fix than outright destruction. You may well have to dismantle the bridge and then rebuild it.