Russian invasion of Ukraine

[jonnysensible]

C'mon. It can't be easy to forge evidence when you are drunk 24/7. Cut them some slack.

*channels shalcker* We don't know what happened until there is a full investigation, why won't the Russians let the Ukrainian investigators in?

[Flarelaine]

But but I thought it was a suicide bomber?? How did they detain a dead guy, who multiplied into 8 people?

Some propaganda just doesn't hold up

Some propaganda does not even try to present a coherent narrative. Confusing people is enough.

[jonnysensible]

this prison pardon shit is mental, imagine a family member gets murdered. Killer gets life, and then they get out a year later because they signed up to go fight for wagner and got a leg blown off. Now out and about knocking around on their fucking peg leg. I'd have to go get the cunt. Russian society is gonna be a basket case and it already fucking is.

[Iphie]

this prison pardon shit is mental, imagine a family member gets murdered. Killer gets life, and then they get out a year later because they signed up to go fight for wagner and got a leg blown off. Now out and about knocking around on their fucking peg leg. I'd have to go get the cunt. Russian society is gonna be a basket case and it already fucking is.

Don't worry, allegedly the shtrafbats are only recruited into assault units, meaning survival rate is rather low.

[YUPPIE]

In a rather dramatic escalation in words, Zelenksy this morning curtly vowed to make Russian forces suffer "far more painfully" in response to the recent missile strikes.

[Iphie]

So, russia needs new tanks in Ukraine....
800 to.be precise

[Xyonai]

In a rather dramatic escalation in words, Zelenksy this morning curtly vowed to make Russian forces suffer "far more painfully" in response to the recent missile strikes.

I mean, better to retaliate against actual military targets then throw a petulant shitfit and murder civvies.

[zealo]

So, russia needs new tanks in Ukraine....
800 to.be precise

They're tracked death traps with the sort of advancements that have been made in anti-tank munitions since the 1960s when they're pulling yet more T-62s out of long term storage.

[Iphie]

They're tracked death traps with the sort of advancements that have been made in anti-tank munitions since the 1960s when they're pulling yet more T-62s out of long term storage.

Yup, also, pulling 800 put of storage does not exactly instill confidence, big battlefield losses. It also puts paid to the rumours that an Armata had been spotted in Luhansk.

[YUPPIE]

things are really going south for Russia. While massacring civilians isn't new for them, it feels like the whole world is turning against them for the missile strikes two days ago. Even their close ally in China.

Putin offered Nord Stream 2 to Germany today and they literally said "fuck off" and Ukraine received their IRIS-T air defense system on the same day. Why isn't Germany afraid of incurring Putin's wrath?

[Corvus]

Next lot of 10,000 Ukrainians being trained in the UK have finished and are heading back to join the fight, fully equipped. The arrival of the previous batch just so happened to occur when the russian front collapsed in the east.

Canada is also sending half a million winter uniforms. Meanwhile russia still hasn't found the one and a half million winter uniforms that went missing.

[Collegeguy]

Another day of Russian gaslighting.
Biden: Putin making nuclear threats is irresponsible.
Russia's response: That is harmful for you to say that.

[Thekri]

They're tracked death traps with the sort of advancements that have been made in anti-tank munitions since the 1960s when they're pulling yet more T-62s out of long term storage.

There is a much longer discussion about the weirdness of this announcement. First, preface this with Russian announcing they will modernize 800 T-62s does not necessarily mean they will modernize 800 T-62s over 3 years. They might not do any, it might take 10 years, they might repair them but not modernize them...

If we just take this at face value though, it doesn't make any sense. Russia allegedly has 8000 T-72s and 3000 T-80s in "Active reserve". Even at the highest possible estimate of casualties, they should still have thousands of those left. Even if those tanks are completely unfit for service, it should be easier to return those to service then 1960s tanks in even worse condition. T-62s require more people to operate (4 instead of 3), have no parts supply chain, and have a much weaker gun, which might be extremely relevant if the US starts handing Abrams to Ukraine, which seems increasingly likely. They are just worse tanks that cost more and take more people. And they should have more T-72s then T-62s anyway.

... except they clearly don't have those T-72s. What happened to them isn't clear, but Russia has already been slowly feeding in T-62s, and it seems most of the tanks available to new units are those. There are plenty of theories of what happened to them, but the most likely theory is that Russia never made as many as it claimed, due to factory miscounts. Still, they at least still have some. One theory is that Russia is nearly completely out of the 125mm ammo that is shared by the T-72, T-80 and T-90 tanks. Expenditures have been high, but the real kicker was the number of ammo dumps they lost to Ukrainian Artillery. They still would have stockpiles of 115mm ammo, so despite the fact it is worse, they actually have it, so they need a tank that will shoot it.

[Deus Mortis]

There is a much longer discussion about the weirdness of this announcement. First, preface this with Russian announcing they will modernize 800 T-62s does not necessarily mean they will modernize 800 T-62s over 3 years. They might not do any, it might take 10 years, they might repair them but not modernize them...

If we just take this at face value though, it doesn't make any sense. Russia allegedly has 8000 T-72s and 3000 T-80s in "Active reserve". Even at the highest possible estimate of casualties, they should still have thousands of those left. Even if those tanks are completely unfit for service, it should be easier to return those to service then 1960s tanks in even worse condition. T-62s require more people to operate (4 instead of 3), have no parts supply chain, and have a much weaker gun, which might be extremely relevant if the US starts handing Abrams to Ukraine, which seems increasingly likely. They are just worse tanks that cost more and take more people. And they should have more T-72s then T-62s anyway.

... except they clearly don't have those T-72s. What happened to them isn't clear, but Russia has already been slowly feeding in T-62s, and it seems most of the tanks available to new units are those. There are plenty of theories of what happened to them, but the most likely theory is that Russia never made as many as it claimed, due to factory miscounts. Still, they at least still have some. One theory is that Russia is nearly completely out of the 125mm ammo that is shared by the T-72, T-80 and T-90 tanks. Expenditures have been high, but the real kicker was the number of ammo dumps they lost to Ukrainian Artillery. They still would have stockpiles of 115mm ammo, so despite the fact it is worse, they actually have it, so they need a tank that will shoot it.

Nice to see you back. Your posts are always insightful with your first hand knowledge of military procedures. I imagine you have been shaking your head at Russian tactics.

[Corvus]

And more scrapping of the barrel - the separatist forces are now being given WW2 era artillery to use, the D1 M1943 howitzer.

And an FSB source has put russia's irrecoverable loses (dead, missing, maimed) at 90 thousand.

[Kaleredar]

And an FSB source has put russia's irrecoverable loses (dead, missing, maimed) at 90 thousand.

Which means they've incurred more than quadrupled the US' casualties in Afghanistan accrued over 20 years (~20,000) in less than a year.

Is this still part of their "holding back" plan?

[Iphie]

And more scrapping of the barrel - the separatist forces are now being given WW2 era artillery to use, the D1 M1943 howitzer.

And an FSB source has put russia's irrecoverable loses (dead, missing, maimed) at 90 thousand.

Reminder: Ukraine claims to have eliminated "only" 60-65k of those. That would leave 25-30k+ unaccounted for. Obviously the russians would have a much better overview of those who deserted.

But this is not a great look, no and these don't include the lightly wounded, right? Just the dead, those that can't fight any longer due to being disabled, and the deserters.

[Corvus]

This is what the shotgun rocket does to lightly armoured vehicles - turns them into swiss cheese.

[Deus Mortis]

While it does not really mean anything. The UN General Assembly vote condemning Russia’s “attempted illegal annexation” of four Ukrainian regions and demand that Moscow immediately reverse its actions.

[Iphie]

While it does not really mean anything. The UN General Assembly vote condemning Russia’s “attempted illegal annexation” of four Ukrainian regions and demand that Moscow immediately reverse its actions.

Well, it's important to see who supports russia and who doesn't. For example Eritrea was previously supportive but it would appear they do not really like the annexation. Another one is Iran, they appear to have not shown up for the vote. China, India and so on, are abstaining, which they usually do, but they've been quite vocal recently about not recognising this.