1. #25181
    Quote Originally Posted by enigma77 View Post
    Traitors hang.
    I should fucking hope so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enigma77 View Post
    Traitors hang.
    Rather, they should be offered their chance to flee into Russia.

  3. #25183
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaydin View Post
    They will either be lynched in public by lynch mobs or in prison after being convicted for treason.
    Let's hope it isn't lynch mobs. Those have a bad track record when it comes differentiating between actual traitors and people who were forced to assist. Nothing worse than having to assist people you hate to protect your family, only to have yourself (and possibly your family) killed for it when help finally comes.

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    Mass weddings for the recent mobilised.

    https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/st...kzq1VquZkDg6kw

    Remember ladies, if he doesn't put a ring on it no Lada for you in 2 weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Rather, they should be offered their chance to flee into Russia.
    ???

    You offer criminals a chance to escape?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    ???

    You offer criminals a chance to escape?
    I am generally not in favour of mass murder, regardless of how solid the reason behind it is. Ukraine cannot possibly detain them all. Maybe trade them for the people Russia abducted but I don't see that working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I am generally not in favour of mass murder, regardless of how solid the reason behind it is. Ukraine cannot possibly detain them all. Maybe trade them for the people Russia abducted but I don't see that working.
    Having them run away scot-free to become yet another "cleanse Ukraine" voice in Russia is also not a solution. I don't advocate lynching, but I also don't advocate zero consequences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Having them run away scot-free to become yet another "cleanse Ukraine" voice in Russia is also not a solution. I don't advocate lynching, but I also don't advocate zero consequences.
    Well the most likely consequence if they stay there IS lynching. And them losing their houses and livelyhoods in eastern Ukraine is a consequence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enigma77 View Post
    Traitors hang.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    I should fucking hope so.
    Not going to happen, Ukraine abolished the death penalty in 2000, following joining the Council of Europe in 1995 which requires the abolishing of the Death Penalty, russia joined as well but hasn't, to date, abolished the Death Penalty. However russia did put a moratorium on executing prisoners so de facto it is gone if not de jure. The withdrawal of russia from the Council of Europe is worrisome for that reason.

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    The irony of abolishing a death penalty while in a war...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Not going to happen, Ukraine abolished the death penalty in 2000, following joining the Council of Europe in 1995 which requires the abolishing of the Death Penalty, russia joined as well but hasn't, to date, abolished the Death Penalty. However russia did put a moratorium on executing prisoners so de facto it is gone if not de jure. The withdrawal of russia from the Council of Europe is worrisome for that reason.
    Do you think that angry mob getting those people would care about any of that?
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  12. #25192
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Rather, they should be offered their chance to flee into Russia.
    Let's not be inhumane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Not going to happen, Ukraine abolished the death penalty in 2000, following joining the Council of Europe in 1995 which requires the abolishing of the Death Penalty, russia joined as well but hasn't, to date, abolished the Death Penalty. However russia did put a moratorium on executing prisoners so de facto it is gone if not de jure. The withdrawal of russia from the Council of Europe is worrisome for that reason.
    I'm not sure if the death penalty is abolished in war times.

    Either way, I'm sure people would be willing to forgive the execution of traitorous scum. I know I would and I'm usually very much against the death penalty. But if you're one of the fine people colluding with the Russians and governing the "annexed" territories in their name, I'd love to see you hang from the neck until death occurs.
    Last edited by enigma77; 2022-10-16 at 10:20 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Let's not be inhumane.
    I mean they identify as Russian, they can go there. Indeed offer that "option" to everyone identifying as Russian over any other nationality and residing in any country neighbouring Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enigma77 View Post
    I'm not sure if the death penalty is abolished in war times.

    Either way, I'm sure people would be willing to forgive the execution of traitorous scum. I know I would and I'm usually very much against the death penalty. But if you're one of the fine people colluding with the Russians and governing the "annexed" territories in their name, I'd love to see you hang from the neck until death occurs.
    In 2012, Latvia became the last EU member state to abolish capital punishment in wartime.

    Granted that's the EU, but as you can see there's plenty of countries which have a total abolishing including in wartime. If Ukraine wants to join the EU then it will have to behave accordingly.

  16. #25196
    Explosions at Belgorod airfield.

    https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1...AcNDi99eQ4hQKg

    Looks like air defence may have been HARMed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I mean they identify as Russian, they can go there. Indeed offer that "option" to everyone identifying as Russian over any other nationality and residing in any country neighbouring Russia.
    At minimum, tell every single person that holds dual citizenship of russi and some EU country, that they must give up one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    At minimum, tell every single person that holds dual citizenship of russi and some EU country, that they must give up one of them.
    This needs to happen more than anything. If those mythical good Ruskies want civilization, then they can renounce the terrorist state of RuZZia, and be here. But not if their loyalties still lie with terrorist states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Explosions at Belgorod airfield.

    https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1...AcNDi99eQ4hQKg

    Looks like air defence may have been HARMed.

    They really ought to stop smoking near military assets.

  20. #25200
    Quote Originally Posted by Kiri View Post
    Let's hope it isn't lynch mobs. Those have a bad track record when it comes differentiating between actual traitors and people who were forced to assist. Nothing worse than having to assist people you hate to protect your family, only to have yourself (and possibly your family) killed for it when help finally comes.
    But But according to some people, if you assist (even by "force) you are a traitor.

    If we take a look at History, see what happened in France after the occupation. We had mobs lynching people left and right, shaving women who were suspected of having sex with German soldiers for instance, etc... Not a really glorious sight.

    It is a very complicated situation. Obviously, leaders should be put on trial for treason, but the common civil servant ? Not so sure about that, really depend of the context.

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