Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Elenos]

Not to mention Russia seems intent on using its ammunition to murder civilians and destroy public infrastructure, rather than damaging any target of military consequence.

Truth be told they are targeting power generation, heating etc. That is having a major impact on Ukrainan civilians and on their military. Ukraine can't use many of their trains at the moment, and they rely on trains just as much as Russia does to move supplies to the front. They do have diesel trains making up for it.


@Huehuecoyotl or perhaps there was nothing to talk about when the war turned into one of attrition for over half a year with little changes on the ground until quite recently. The Ukrainian counter-offensive, the looming ammo issues and Russia's recent decision to switch to targeting infrastructure with drones and missiles to deny Ukraine heat, water and electricity.

Oh and I dunno the increasing chance based Western political statements about nukes.

[Huehuecoyotl]

@Huehuecoyotl or perhaps there was nothing to talk about when the war turned into one of attrition for over half a year with little changes on the ground until quite recently. The Ukrainian counter-offensive, the looming ammo issues and Russia's recent decision to switch to targeting infrastructure with drones and missiles to deny Ukraine heat, water and electricity.

Oh and I dunno the increasing chance based Western political statements about nukes.

You'll have to point me to the post that you're responding to here. Because that little word salad that fell out of your mouth has literally nothing to do with my last post that I directed at you.

[Jastall]

Truth be told they are targeting power generation, heating etc. That is having a major impact on Ukrainan civilians and on their military. Ukraine can't use many of their trains at the moment, and they rely on trains just as much as Russia does to move supplies to the front. They do have diesel trains making up for it.


@Huehuecoyotl or perhaps there was nothing to talk about when the war turned into one of attrition for over half a year with little changes on the ground until quite recently. The Ukrainian counter-offensive, the looming ammo issues and Russia's recent decision to switch to targeting infrastructure with drones and missiles to deny Ukraine heat, water and electricity.

Oh and I dunno the increasing chance based Western political statements about nukes.

If you ask me, we've seen from WW2 onwards that imposing hardships on the civilian population like that has limited success if they either a) think it worth the price and/or b) have no other real option. The Ukrainian government, the West, and to a large the degree the Russians themselves have basically hammered into Ukraine that they either weather the storm or cease existing as a country so that part's well taken care of, and given the very unexpected Ukrainian successes across the frontline since week 1 of the invasion the worth of grinning and bearing such bombardments speaks for itself I'd say.

Sure, it'll hurt Ukrainian ability to reinforce their frontlines as well, but enough to make a significant dent in their effort? Dunno, especially since winter will slow operations anyway.

[Corvus]

According to a russian mobik, a battalion of 570 of them were sent to the front on Nov 2 and were given just 3 shoves between them to dig trenches. The Ukrainains opened up with all sorts of artillery, their officers ran away and by the time it was over only 29 of the 570 were alive, and 12 of those were woudned.

And when they fell back, they found the remnants of another battalion of mobiks that has also been smashed.

[Iphie]

According to a russian mobik, a battalion of 570 of them were sent to the front on Nov 2 and were given just 3 shoves between them to dig trenches. The Ukrainains opened up with all sorts of artillery, their officers ran away and by the time it was over only 29 of the 570 were alive, and 12 of those were woudned.

And when they fell back, they found the remnants of another battalion of mobiks that has also been smashed.

This is just senseless slaughter. I'm not blaming the Ukrainians at all, but this is just getting beyond the pale.

[Poopymonster]

This is just senseless slaughter. I'm not blaming the Ukrainians at all, but this is just getting beyond the pale.

Is part of plan. Each wave make trench leetl deeper and wider. Before being blown up. In 15 or 16 more wave of mobiks, they have trench fully dug.
Then we win!

[Corvus]

This is just senseless slaughter. I'm not blaming the Ukrainians at all, but this is just getting beyond the pale.

russia is throwing the untrained mobiks into the frontline to hold it and try and slow down the Ukrainians while pulling their trained units, whats left of them, out of the front line. They are trading mobiks for time, which is a very russian thing to do given just how servile the russian population has been bred to be.

[Dontrike]

How long do you think before that defines political prisoners, or do you think it’s already there?

You mean the people that would either shoot the Orks and run or surrender and help Ukraine?

[Liftbrul]

According to a russian mobik, a battalion of 570 of them were sent to the front on Nov 2 and were given just 3 shoves between them to dig trenches. The Ukrainains opened up with all sorts of artillery, their officers ran away and by the time it was over only 29 of the 570 were alive, and 12 of those were woudned.

And when they fell back, they found the remnants of another battalion of mobiks that has also been smashed.

I love waking up to some good news.

[Specialka]

I love waking up to some good news.

I would not call that "good news". It is terrible whatever the point of view you take.

[postman1782]

I would not call that "good news". It is terrible whatever the point of view you take.

Nope, its good news. Russia should stay the fuck in its own borders.

[zealo]

I would not call that "good news". It is terrible whatever the point of view you take.

Russia can go home at any moment if they want to end this.

Until then, it's up to the Russians whether they want to get on red square outside of the Kremlin and protest for real, or have their legs torn off and die in a ditch in Ukraine cause a 155mm shell landed right next to them.

[Specialka]

Nope, its good news. Russia should stay the fuck in its own borders.

And the guy in the trench is responsible about that ?

[Makabreska]

And the guy in the trench is responsible about that ?

Ye, keep weeping for the orcs as Ukrainian forces keep discovering mass graves of civilians.

[Azadina]

And the guy in the trench is responsible about that ?

Is he inside Russias official borders, yes or no?

If yes, then he isn't responsible about that.

If no, then he's a hostile terrorist in foreign country, one where he's raping, murdering and pillaging. Fully responsible.

[Specialka]

Is he inside Russias official borders, yes or no?

If yes, then he isn't responsible about that.

If no, then he's a hostile terrorist in foreign country, one where he's raping, murdering and pillaging. Fully responsible.

I am all for Ukraine victory but we should not rejoice at people's death, even if they are russian soldiers.

[Gorsameth]

And the guy in the trench is responsible about that ?

Every moment he isn't planning desertion or surrender? yes

[Dontrike]

I am all for Ukraine victory but we should not rejoice at people's death, even if they are russian soldiers.

You're right, death is terrible no matter what, but you're ignoring a ton of context which is those Russian soldiers are in another country's territory looking to kill any and all civilians in sight, likely genocide the entire people, just so their leader can feel good.

If those soldiers did not wish to die there is a myriad of things they could have done from surrendering to just not going. While the deaths are unfortunate I cannot feel bad for those who are choosing to listen to orders to kill innocents for no reason besides an ego.

[XDurionX]

And the guy in the trench is responsible about that ?

"I only followed orders". Every single one of them is responsible. There would be no war if grunts didn't agree to this. As long as they're in Ukraine to kill Ukrainians, then yes, every dead aggressor is good news.

[Makabreska]

I am all for Ukraine victory but we should not rejoice at people's death, even if they are russian soldiers.

I would not call that "good news". It is terrible whatever the point of view you take.

If you are "all for Ukraine victory" then sorry to break it to you, but killing invading forces is how you achieve victory. Or do you think there is an option for Putler to suddenly bow down to the power of diplomacy?