Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Specialka]

Every moment he isn't planning desertion or surrender? yes

This is not a simple situation for most of them, especially those drafted. I know that simple minded people always think that those kinds of situation are simple but this is far from the reality. If tomorrow, your country starts to draft people to invade another country, will you abandon everything you have ? Your home, your job, sometimes your family ?

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If you are "all for Ukraine victory" then sorry to break it to you, but killing invading forces is how you achieve victory. Or do you think there is an option for Putler to suddenly bow down to the power of diplomacy?

I have nothing against killing enemy soldiers, I have something about "rejoicing about killing them", especially when we are on the sideline commenting it and not fighting there.

[Makabreska]

I have nothing against killing enemy soldiers, I have something about "rejoicing about killing them", especially when we are on the sideline commenting it and not fighting there.

Yes, we are sitting here and commenting, after seeing what ruskies have already done during the invasion. Destroyed cities, raped and killed civilians, kidnapped children, stolen goods, targeted infrastructure to deliberately cause a greater humanitarian crisis. You really expect us to not be happy when the orcs get fucked in return? Go tell Ukrainian soldiers that feeling happy during killing enemy is a no-no. Keep your virtues and morals to yourself.

[Santti]

And the guy in the trench is responsible about that ?

He is responsible for his own behavior. He could refuse to go to Ukraine. He could choose not to steal, rape, destroy and murder. Yes, there would be consequences for disobedience. But it's his choice, in the end.

[Specialka]

He is responsible for his own behavior. He could refuse to go to Ukraine. He could choose not to steal, rape, destroy and murder. Yes, there would be consequences for disobedience. But it's his choice, in the end.

And you are proofs that all russians soldiers are rapists etc ?

[Azadina]

I am all for Ukraine victory but we should not rejoice at people's death, even if they are russian soldiers.

By peoples deaths I assume you mean Ukrainian people. That is horrible, and my heart does bleed in the knowledge of their suffering at the hands of RuZZlamic state. There has been no Russian soldier deaths, but there has been tens of thousands of RuZZlamic state terrorists. Murdering, raping and pillaging terrorists. Are those the ones you confused for soldiers?

[Santti]

And you are proofs that all russians soldiers are rapists etc ?

Don't be ridiculous. Obviously, not everyone is. But many clearly are.

The point is that they are choosing to go along with it. Do I feel bad when they get blown to bits for their choices? Fuck no. Stay in Russia, you cunts.

[Lahis]

How long do you think before that defines political prisoners, or do you think it’s already there?

Protesters were conscripted in the first wave.

[Gorsameth]

This is not a simple situation for most of them, especially those drafted. I know that simple minded people always think that those kinds of situation are simple but this is far from the reality. If tomorrow, your country starts to draft people to invade another country, will you abandon everything you have ? Your home, your job, sometimes your family ?

I don't know if I would/could. But if I don't then I bear responsibility for being part of an invasion force.

[postman1782]

And the guy in the trench is responsible about that ?

They could have evacuated like hundreds of thousands did, or give up like thousands of other soldiers did. They had plenty of options.

[Gabriel]

And the guy in the trench is responsible about that ?

They have guns and bullets. I fail to see why they shouldn't put them to good use within russia's own borders.

[Iphie]

They have guns and bullets. I fail to see why they shouldn't put them to good use within russia's own borders.

Debatable, given they had 3 shovels to build a trench.

What I think people do need realise is these 570 men weren't necessarily voluntarily there, they definitely shouldn't be there obviously, but the circumstances of them being there aren't of their own making. (Given that they are freshly mobilized men)

[Gabriel]

Debatable, given they had 3 shovels to build a trench.

What I think people do need realise is these 570 men weren't necessarily voluntarily there, they definitely shouldn't be there obviously, but the circumstances of them being there aren't of their own making. (Given that they are freshly mobilized men)

If I knew I was going to be shipped off to fight a war of aggression against a superior enemy, I wouldn't have to think twice about who to shoot the moment I was handed a gun.

[Gorsameth]

Debatable, given they had 3 shovels to build a trench.

What I think people do need realise is these 570 men weren't necessarily voluntarily there, they definitely shouldn't be there obviously, but the circumstances of them being there aren't of their own making. (Given that they are freshly mobilized men)

They could have fled mobilization like 700.000 others did.
They could have deserted, they could have surrendered.

At some point you have to take responsibility for what your doing, and not doing.

[Huehuecoyotl]

And you are proofs that all russians soldiers are rapists etc ?

At best they are rapist adjacent.

[zealo]

This is not a simple situation for most of them, especially those drafted. I know that simple minded people always think that those kinds of situation are simple but this is far from the reality. If tomorrow, your country starts to draft people to invade another country, will you abandon everything you have ? Your home, your job, sometimes your family ?

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I have nothing against killing enemy soldiers, I have something about "rejoicing about killing them", especially when we are on the sideline commenting it and not fighting there.

Posts in the line of "it's not simple!" is just making excuses for people that lack the balls to stand up to their regime for it's wrongdoings.



Some of them do though, like this guy, but they're a minority. Do you think any of that were easy for him? Fuck no it wasn't. But he did it anyway because of actual conviction in opposing the criminal actions of Russia.

[Iphie]

If I knew I was going to be shipped off to fight a war of aggression against a superior enemy, I wouldn't have to think twice about who to shoot the moment I was handed a gun.

Buddy, That's what I'm saying, they had 3 shovels between 570 men, how many guns do you think they realistically had? We already know that the russian mobiks are complaining about a lack of ammo and guns, this just confirms that. As for surrendering? I'm all for it but there has to be an opportunity for it, you can't just walk into enemy lines and hope they won't shoot you.

People seem to think these things are easy, or at least that's my impression going by some of the responses here, they're not.

[Gorsameth]

Buddy, That's what I'm saying, they had 3 shovels between 570 men, how many guns do you think they realistically had? We already know that the russian mobiks are complaining about a lack of ammo and guns, this just confirms that. As for surrendering? I'm all for it but there has to be an opportunity for it, you can't just walk into enemy lines and hope they won't shoot you.

People seem to think these things are easy, or at least that's my impression going by some of the responses here, they're not.

They have a great motivator to try harder at getting out. The desire to not get shredded by Ukrainian artillery fire. If that is not sufficient motivation then my capacity to care really doesn't go far.

[Gabriel]

Buddy, That's what I'm saying, they had 3 shovels between 570 men, how many guns do you think they realistically had? We already know that the russian mobiks are complaining about a lack of ammo and guns, this just confirms that. As for surrendering? I'm all for it but there has to be an opportunity for it, you can't just walk into enemy lines and hope they won't shoot you.

People seem to think these things are easy, or at least that's my impression going by some of the responses here, they're not.

My brother in Christ, if they had almost 600 men, they could just have body piled their commanding officers if they didn't want to die in Ukraine.

Sometimes life deals you a shitty hand, but you are still responsible for how you play it.

[Specialka]

If I knew I was going to be shipped off to fight a war of aggression against a superior enemy, I wouldn't have to think twice about who to shoot the moment I was handed a gun.

Bold word coming from behind your computer, armchair warrior.

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They have a great motivator to try harder at getting out. The desire to not get shredded by Ukrainian artillery fire. If that is not sufficient motivation then my capacity to care really doesn't go far.

Same than above

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Posts in the line of "it's not simple!" is just making excuses for people that lack the balls to stand up to their regime for it's wrongdoings.



Some of them do though, like this guy, but they're a minority. Do you think any of that were easy for him? Fuck no it wasn't. But he did it anyway because of actual conviction in opposing the criminal actions of Russia.

And same again.

[Endus]

This is not a simple situation for most of them, especially those drafted. I know that simple minded people always think that those kinds of situation are simple but this is far from the reality. If tomorrow, your country starts to draft people to invade another country, will you abandon everything you have ? Your home, your job, sometimes your family ?

It is simple. If you'd accept orders to murder innocent people to avoid being killed yourself, you're a murderous asshole. "I was just following orders" is a pathetic excuse used by monsters to try and evade responsibility for their actions. Yes, if my country tried to draft me to push a criminal invasion of a sovereign nation to slaughter their citizens, I'd make for the woods. I'd do whatever it took to avoid getting drafted into that. If that meant being killed, that would be preferable. The only reason I'd go along with it would be if I thought I could engage in direct sabotage of the goals from within.

The draft is already forcing me away from my home, my family, my job. And the war is putting all that at risk. This can be justified in cases of defensive actions against an aggressor nation, but not in fueling aggression itself.

What you're asking is if any of us have moral codes or if we just kneejerk into whatever best fuels our self-interest in the moment. Yeah, an internal moral sense is a default for human beings. Lacking such a thing is a character failure if not an outright mental illness.