1. #25681
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    And? You didn't have to be a part of the SS to be a Nazi. Hitler and Goebbels weren't part of the SS either; were they not Nazis?

    The Wehrmacht fought to defend the Nazi Reich and its principles, and further its goals. They were, every single last one of them, Nazis by definition.

    Literally all you're doing is engaging in Nazi apologism at this point.

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    There's a difference between satisfaction that criminal invaders of a sovereign nation were killed in action by defenders of said nation, and being gleeful about it. I'll agree that the latter is gross, but satisfaction with that outcome is absolutely justified.
    Sure but there has been alot of very borderline gleeful joy here. One of the reasons why I hate people useing the term orc it allows people to more readily dehumanize, exact same thing that happens in WW2 with labeling Japanese as rats ect.

  2. #25682
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    The Whermacht soldiers were not SS, though the Whermacht also did horrible things and committed war crimes.
    No idea what the SS has to do with this discussion as the terminology of Nazi Soldier is generally applied to both Wehrmacht and SS.

    Nevermind that the bulk of conscription was obviously into the Wehrmacht.

  3. #25683
    Quote Originally Posted by Canpinter View Post
    Sure but there has been alot of very borderline gleeful joy here. One of the reasons why I hate people useing the term orc it allows people to more readily dehumanize, exact same thing that happens in WW2 with labeling Japanese as rats ect.
    Exceptionally dehumanizing terms for exceptionally violent, murderous, raping hordes of animals who willfully take part in mass destruction of a sovereign nation, with no regrets even if part of them fled the mobilization to the West they so much hate, continuing their verbal diarrhea at the safe havens.

    I have no problems calling nazi russians with terms like orc. Nor do I give a shit if I see a videoclip of them dying for real, in a great ball of fire.

    If that makes me somehow a bad person, I'll gladly be the worst person on this planet. But that's a hard contest, I am at my PC, not raping civilians and then killing them (or in reverse order).

  4. #25684
    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    No idea what the SS has to do with this discussion as the terminology of Nazi Soldier is generally applied to both Wehrmacht and SS.

    Nevermind that the bulk of conscription was obviously into the Wehrmacht.
    And it is wrong. SS were Nazi soldiers, Wehrmacht were German soldiers. Obviously, some were Nazis as well. But I know that nuance and precision is something hard to understand.

  5. #25685
    Quote Originally Posted by Canpinter View Post
    You can feel bad about a bunch of people dieing when the only options they had where "run and likely get shot by your own side", "attack your officers and likely get shot and die" or "dig the hole you where told to and maybe die ". It dosnt change the fact that killing the necessity of Ukraine defending itself but does mean we shouldn't take some twisted glee from it.
    I take twisted glee from it because those very same people absolutely made their (death)bed and now get to lie in it.

  6. #25686
    Quote Originally Posted by Saradain View Post
    Exceptionally dehumanizing terms for exceptionally violent, murderous, raping hordes of animals who willfully take part in mass destruction of a sovereign nation, with no regrets even if part of them fled the mobilization to the West they so much hate, continuing their verbal diarrhea at the safe havens.

    I have no problems calling nazi russians with terms like orc. Nor do I give a shit if I see a videoclip of them dying for real, in a great ball of fire.

    If that makes me somehow a bad person, I'll gladly be the worst person on this planet. But that's a hard contest, I am at my PC, not raping civilians and then killing them (or in reverse order).
    You do get this is the kind of attitude that does alot of the work to justify things like firebombing Tokyo or interment camps right?

  7. #25687
    Quote Originally Posted by Canpinter View Post
    You do get this is the kind of attitude that does alot of the work to justify things like firebombing Tokyo or interment camps right?
    Nay, because we have already learned from the past. We're not calling for taking peoples of russian origin to death camps, or otherwise hunting them in the western nations.

    We're calling for extermination of every single nazi russian invader on Ukrainian soil. And restoration of Ukraine's borders back to 1991 post-Soviet collapse.

    Can't blame people for developing extreme vengeance towards all russians when we see their collaborators posting in this very thread at times, in addition to all civilian mass graves being discovered when liberating areas.

    Besides, it IS war. Russia is actively bombing civilians. Why should Ukraine not do the same against their nation? As in, shooting missiles into Russia proper. Military targets
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  8. #25688
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    And it is wrong. SS were Nazi soldiers, Wehrmacht were German soldiers. Obviously, some were Nazis as well. But I know that nuance and precision is something hard to understand.
    ...what nuance?

    Mate, you brought up the SS for no reason.
    The reason why i bring this up is point out that there is little moral difference between a Wehrmacht soldier getting blown up in the Soviet Union and a Russian solder blown up in Ukraine.
    Can't glorify one, but then cry over the other.

  9. #25689
    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    ...what nuance?

    Mate, you brought up the SS for no reason.
    The reason why i bring this up is point out that there is little moral difference between a Wehrmacht soldier getting blown up in the Soviet Union and a Russian solder blown up in Ukraine.
    Can't glorify one, but then cry over the other.
    When did I glorify anyone ?

  10. #25690
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    When did I glorify anyone ?
    I'm repeating myself by saying that Russia certainly does and the world in general does not shed any tears over the Nazi soldiers killed in actions.

  11. #25691
    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    I'm repeating myself by saying that Russia certainly does and the world in general does not shed any tears over the Nazi soldiers killed in actions.
    And when did I say I cared about what Russia does ?

  12. #25692
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    And when did I say I cared about what Russia does ?
    I think you' ve made that point abundantly clear.

  13. #25693
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    And when did I say I cared about what Russia does ?
    You argue that we shouldn't be happy about Russian soldiers dying, i then present to you the fact that their situation isn't that different to what german citizen faced when they were conscripted into the Wehrmacht during WW2.

    Which means, if we're supposed to feel sorry for Russian soldiers, then you also have to give the same treatment to dead German soldiers during WW2, which i believe most people are not okay with because they fought for an evil maniac.

    And frankly, the harsh truth is simply that every dead russian soldier brings Ukraine closer to victory.
    That is unfortunate but neither Ukraine, nor the West created this situation, so that's how it is and thus, outside of a purely human standpoint, i do not feel sorry for these people - just the same as most people feel about german soldiers in WW2.
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  14. #25694
    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    You argue that we shouldn't be happy about Russian solderis dying, i then present to you the fact that their situation isn't that different to what german citizen faced when they were conscripted into the Wehrmacht during WW2.

    Which means, if we're supposed to feel sorry for Russian soldiers, then you also have to give the same treatment to dead German soldiers during WW2, which i believe most people are not okay with because they fought for an evil maniac.

    And frankly, the harsh truth is simply that every dead russian soldier brings Ukraine closer to victory.
    That is unfortunate but neither Ukraine, nor the West created this situation, so that's how it is and thus, outside of a purely human standpoint, i do not feel sorry for these people - just the same as most people feel about german soldiers in WW2.
    You are free to have no value nor morals and I am free to say I do not agree with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    And it is wrong. SS were Nazi soldiers, Wehrmacht were German soldiers. Obviously, some were Nazis as well. But I know that nuance and precision is something hard to understand.
    Again, that's just the myth of the "clean Wehrmacht"; an argument used post-WWII to protect and defend literal Nazis. No reasonable person has accepted that bullshit in better than 30 years. Stop pushing Nazi apologism as if it's an argument.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    You are free to have no value nor morals and I am free to say I do not agree with that.
    And now of course being happy that murderous orc invaders are getting fucked means we "have no value nor morals". Fortunately, you are always here with your obnoxious "moral superiority" to show us the way. But in reality no one shares no cares about your tears over dead ruskies. Why aren't you here when we talk about yet another mass graves recovered or kindergartens shelled? You seem to activate only to put doubt on Ukrainian chances or throw shade at others here with your misguided morals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    And now of course being happy that murderous orc invaders are getting fucked means we "have no value nor morals". Fortunately, you are always here with your obnoxious "moral superiority" to show us the way. But in reality no one shares no cares about your tears over dead ruskies. Why aren't you here when we talk about yet another mass graves recovered or kindergartens shelled? You seem to activate only to put doubt on Ukrainian chances or throw shade at others here with your misguided morals.
    Don't forget he lays the majority blame of the Russian invasion on the US, ahead of Russia itself.
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  18. #25698
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    You are free to have no value nor morals and I am free to say I do not agree with that.
    During WW2 a common saying here in the UK was: The only good German is a dead German! They all got tarred with the same brush due to the actions of the Nazi's.

    While Ukrainians are still being killed the same could be said for the Russian troops inside Ukraine, not many people outside of Russia have any sympathy for them. If you want to talk about morals, question the morals of the people who sent them to die in the first place.
    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Defecating in your bed is bound to happen when you move too far to the left and that is exactly what the Tories have done as they try to out lefty Labour and the Lib Dems. They both have left a gaping hole in the centre ground of UK politics which explains the rise of Reform UK who are now very happy to occupy it.

  19. #25699
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Don't forget he lays the majority blame of the Russian invasion on the US, ahead of Russia itself.
    Not even close to what I said or implied. But keep trying, you'll get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iliena View Post
    During WW2 a common saying here in the UK was: The only good German is a dead German! They all got tarred with the same brush due to the actions of the Nazi's.

    While Ukrainians are still being killed the same could be said for the Russian troops inside Ukraine, not many people outside of Russia have any sympathy for them. If you want to talk about morals, question the morals of the people who sent them to die in the first place.
    And those who sent them to die are not the ones doing the dying. Again, not what I said or implied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Don't forget he lays the majority blame of the Russian invasion on the US, ahead of Russia itself.
    He's just another tankie upset people aren't showing respect for people that made a choice to go along with Russian imperialism and ending up face down in the dirt from it.

    Russians being so servile to the crap of their government is how we got here in the first place.

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